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  • Playmakers
    Hall Of Fame
    • Sep 2004
    • 15414

    #31
    Re: Individual team player/playing styles

    Sadly I don't think Synergy truly works the way it's been hyped and I don't know if it will ever function properly....

    It's a shame because the game looks beautiful and it shows tons of potential but then in motion you still get some of the issues that plagued the series dating back to Live 06/07

    The game has made significant progress from a graphical standpoint and rightfully so on Next Gen.

    But there's seem to be a sugar coat over the AI....it's like they ported the AI behavior over to Next Gen tweaked it a little but not enough to make a huge difference in the way it plays.

    We can't edit anything so that takes away the ability to infuse some sort of life into the AI....

    If I had to choose I would rather have the game operate strictly off of ratings and coaching sliders that work off of USER settings.

    take away the atmosphere and user control and this game would probably get shelved by many people after a month of playing and that is not what I would consider a value purchase.
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    • Gotmadskillzson
      Live your life
      • Apr 2008
      • 23439

      #32
      Re: Individual team player/playing styles

      I own both games. Out of curiosity I'm going to watch Clippers vs Mavs in NBA 2K15 to see how different the AI plays in a CPU vs CPU game.

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      • Philstat
        Pro
        • Oct 2002
        • 864

        #33
        Re: Individual team player/playing styles

        Game does a better job in this department than it's given credit for, I've played about 10 games so far, using about 16 combined team combinations and I've watched several teams play to their abilities: Warriors, run and gun, take lots of threes, Atlanta pounds inside to their two bigs, Kobe was well - Kobe, Knicks go to Carmello often, JR Smith is a gun, Bucks used a good mixture of players (Knight and Parker) leading for the most part, Houston, San Antonio and Cleveland all played well.

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        • Playmakers
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2004
          • 15414

          #34
          Re: Individual team player/playing styles

          Originally posted by Philstat
          Game does a better job in this department than it's given credit for, I've played about 10 games so far, using about 16 combined team combinations and I've watched several teams play to their abilities: Warriors, run and gun, take lots of threes, Atlanta pounds inside to their two bigs, Kobe was well - Kobe, Knicks go to Carmello often, JR Smith is a gun, Bucks used a good mixture of players (Knight and Parker) leading for the most part, Houston, San Antonio and Cleveland all played well.
          Are you saying that you have actually witnessed the Spurs move the ball around the perimeter to the open shooter?

          I'm talking multiple crisp passes not 1 pass and a shot by the next guy.

          You have yet to see Matt Bonner at PF camp out in the paint and take post up shots?

          Houston is more ISO with Harden so it's probably easy to replicate their style the game caters to ISO and post up plays for Dwight

          Atlanta is another team that the game bodes well for because they have the two scoring big's much like Memphis where it's beneficial for the AI to pass it down low and it not appear to be a problem on the surface...

          Warriors are another team that benefits from the core gameplay of Live because the 3's fit them.....now if you can show me a video of the CPU Warriors team in action playing up tempo in their halfcourt sets and looking to run then trust me I'll be glad to say maybe I'm jumping to conclusions

          But as of today with the game in so many people's hands I've yet to see it which I find strange since the majority of us cried foul over the lack of CPU vs CPU action before release...

          Skillz is the 1st guy on the forums who has actually showed videos focusing completely on the CPU AI and the videos don't lie unless he's missing something in his games like a patch that mirror the things you are seeing.
          Last edited by Playmakers; 10-30-2014, 02:00 AM.
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          • Gotmadskillzson
            Live your life
            • Apr 2008
            • 23439

            #35
            Re: Individual team player/playing styles

            Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
            I own both games. Out of curiosity I'm going to watch Clippers vs Mavs in NBA 2K15 to see how different the AI plays in a CPU vs CPU game.
            So the biggest difference you notice right away is that the CPU on NBA 2K15 run a lot of plays. They run them every trip. A lot of pick n rolls, high screens, low screens, double screens, pin down screens. Lob city plays like lob city.

            Bigs who aren't scorers, don't look to post up or take shots. Instead they stay busy setting screens and picks. Saw a lot of illegal screen fouls being called. I don't think this foul even exists in NBA Live 15. When teams go on a run, CPU is quick to call a time out. Players don't mindlessly dribble in place for 15 seconds. You don't see hook shots every trip like you see in NBA Live 15.

            I also notice the CPU in NBA 2K15 is quick to make adjustments on offense and defense. If a player is scoring too much, they look to double team and front on posts.

            I would say NBA 2K15 is more based on team and player specifics when they go about their scoring for stars on a team. NBA Live 15 is more based on stats, for example if a player averages 30 points a game, they going to make sure they get it. The way they go about getting it though is ISO and 3s, plays aren't being called by the CPU.

            And here is that CPU vs CPU video on NBA 2K15.

            Clippers vs Mavs
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            Kind of funny how the same 2 teams play differently on these 2 NBA video games.

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            • rafaelpaolo84
              Rookie
              • Jun 2014
              • 156

              #36
              Re: Individual team player/playing styles

              Just curious, and sorry if I missed this, but do you have Auto Motion set to Auto for both CPU teams in Live when you did the tests?

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              • Gotmadskillzson
                Live your life
                • Apr 2008
                • 23439

                #37
                Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                Originally posted by rafaelpaolo84
                Just curious, and sorry if I missed this, but do you have Auto Motion set to Auto for both CPU teams in Live when you did the tests?
                YES.....had it set since Day One.

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                • Jano
                  You Dead Wrong
                  • May 2004
                  • 3161

                  #38
                  Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                  You're right gotmadskillzson a lot of times the AI does run a lot of ISO's. I think synergy is useless if the teams aren't running plays to get their star players in spots they like.

                  The point of synergy is to improve tendencies but that's only half the battle. The other half is making sure the team's are running authentic play sets.

                  What this game needs is a play set feature like the one seen in 2K where you can select what kinds of plays you want each player to run. Then they need to build a priority system for which player gets the most plays called for him.

                  I think having something like that in place would go a long way in helping this game play more accurately. Couple a great playbook with Synergy and we should have something nice...

                  There is some good things about the AI though when it comes to picks the ball handler isn't nearly as predictable as they are on 2K. They ignore the pick if they see an open lane, which is very cool to see.

                  They just need to couple that off the cuff offense with more structured plays. I want to see more action. No more Noah (Maybe in the High Post looking for cutters) and Chandler posting up no plays for them lol.
                  Last edited by Jano; 10-30-2014, 03:23 AM.

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                  • Gotmadskillzson
                    Live your life
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 23439

                    #39
                    Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                    Warriors vs Spurs
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                    I never saw so many turn around jumpers hit for all net in my life. Much like the other 2 games, you really didn't see the CPU teams play a structured play calling style until the last 2 minutes of the game. I would like to see the CPU full court press, half court press or half court trap MUCH EARLIER when a team goes on a run. To wait until the end of the game to start doing it is too late.

                    Also didn't like the fact that the Spurs was losing but yet the non stars of the team wasn't getting the ball. I was just looking thinking why the hell doesn't Parker or Duncan not getting the ball ? This game is so ISO HAPPY, they literally had Tim Duncan of all people dribbling behind the 3 point line, for quite a while, when the Spurs were losing and time ticking away. I was screaming to myself would somebody please run up to Duncan and get the ball, he shouldn't be out there dribbling that far away from the basket.

                    And the last 10 seconds was just total CPU AI meltdown. Down by 3, Parker just holding on to the ball, not dribbling for 8 seconds, then he does a last second step back bail out 3 point attempt. I just SMH.

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                    • The 24th Letter
                      ERA
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 39373

                      #40
                      Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                      Great videos Gotmad.

                      The CPU A.I has NO personality right now...

                      I don't know what the CPU is going to do if 3's end up being nerfed because outside of hitting them at a ridiculous high %, they don't really have a way to keep the game close.

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                      • Walt Frazier
                        Pro
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 989

                        #41
                        Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                        Interested in WTF's views on this...his vids are very different to the ones Skillz has shown.

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                        • seanhazz1
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                          • Nov 2006
                          • 416

                          #42
                          Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                          Is the AI in rewind games playing according to team styles or also just feeding their stars?
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                          • ScoobySnax
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                            • Mar 2009
                            • 7624

                            #43
                            Individual team player/playing styles

                            Another issue I'm having is the play calling. It's very clunky. Why are there no player-specific sets? As it stands now, if I wanted to get a Chandler Parsons a good look at a jumper, I couldn't. Also, I shouldn't have to remember what set of plays go with what D-Pad button.

                            Player-specific plays would eliminate the need to do that assuming the plays for each player made sense within that offense.
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                            • bigeastbumrush
                              My Momma's Son
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19245

                              #44
                              Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                              Originally posted by seanhazz1
                              Is the AI in rewind games playing according to team styles or also just feeding their stars?
                              I've only played one Rewind Game so far (Spurs vs Mavs).

                              Team style? Iffy. Not enough games in the make a judgement on that.
                              Feeding stars? Yes.

                              Dirk took 22 shots in 10 minute quarters and most of them we from the post. Tyson set high screens for Felton. Parsons was Missing In Action.

                              I'll have to get more games in to make a better call though. Last night's games should be updated.

                              Any requests?

                              Thinking about playing against the Hornets and seeing if Kemba kills me

                              If I play Knicks/Chicago using NY, Taj Gibson should have a big night but he may not get the minutes since he's a bench player.

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                              • Playmakers
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 15414

                                #45
                                Re: Individual team player/playing styles

                                Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
                                Warriors vs Spurs
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                                I never saw so many turn around jumpers hit for all net in my life. Much like the other 2 games, you really didn't see the CPU teams play a structured play calling style until the last 2 minutes of the game. I would like to see the CPU full court press, half court press or half court trap MUCH EARLIER when a team goes on a run. To wait until the end of the game to start doing it is too late.

                                Also didn't like the fact that the Spurs was losing but yet the non stars of the team wasn't getting the ball. I was just looking thinking why the hell doesn't Parker or Duncan not getting the ball ? This game is so ISO HAPPY, they literally had Tim Duncan of all people dribbling behind the 3 point line, for quite a while, when the Spurs were losing and time ticking away. I was screaming to myself would somebody please run up to Duncan and get the ball, he shouldn't be out there dribbling that far away from the basket.

                                And the last 10 seconds was just total CPU AI meltdown. Down by 3, Parker just holding on to the ball, not dribbling for 8 seconds, then he does a last second step back bail out 3 point attempt. I just SMH.
                                well so much for the Spurs playing their style of B-Ball

                                i wish there was away we could do our edits to this game
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