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  • Court_vision
    Banned
    • Oct 2002
    • 8290

    #1

    Editing 'key' players...

    Well…I’ve put all the player stats into excel and had a good look at them all. Some players immediately stand out that need ‘fixing’. The clearest example of this is Jermaine O’Neal. This guy is a legit franchise player and was third in MVP voting last year.

    In Live 05 he is:

    21st for blocks

    174th for FG’s.

    16th for overall

    135th for Offensive Rebounds

    14th for Defensive Rebounds

    5th for inside scoring.

    21st for primacy (81 is way too low. The Pacers play a half court game and he’s their absolute ‘go to guy’. With Harrington traded, Jermaine is going to get all of their post plays. He really should be 90 minimum IMO so that they go to him most trips down the court)



    IMO he’s a top 5 shot blocker, should be higher for FG’s and ORB’s. So, those up and primacy.



    I am mainly going to focus on ‘fixing’ the star players / franchise players / go to guys / main defensive guys.

    Anyone who tries to fix all the ratings down to the 3pt rating for the last man off the bench has my admiration…as well as a question mark next to their sanity

    Overall, I think the ratings are pretty cool. There’s good distinction between star players, role players and scrubs. That’s the most important thing.

    One strange stat…guess who has the highest stamina rating in the game? None other than…Vince Carter.
  • Stormlor
    M*c *dd*ct
    • Jun 2004
    • 761

    #2
    Re: Editing 'key' players...

    I've read all the ratings, and I think most are fine. I really don't think we need to any editing at all. Take a look at Ben Wallace for example. Overall he blows, but look at his specality. His blocking and rebounding are very high, thats what he does in real life. Thats why I say the ratings seem fine to me.
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    • Stormlor
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      • Jun 2004
      • 761

      #3
      Re: Editing 'key' players...

      I've read all the ratings, and I think most are fine. I really don't think we need to any editing at all. Take a look at Ben Wallace for example. Overall he blows, but look at his specality. His blocking and rebounding are very high, thats what he does in real life. Thats why I say the ratings seem fine to me.
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      • Ofizzle
        Pro
        • Nov 2003
        • 632

        #4
        Re: Editing 'key' players...

        Originally posted by Stormlor
        I've read all the ratings, and I think most are fine. I really don't think we need to any editing at all. Take a look at Ben Wallace for example. Overall he blows, but look at his specality. His blocking and rebounding are very high, thats what he does in real life. Thats why I say the ratings seem fine to me.
        EA didn't screw up the stars, I went and looked at Duncan who everyone complained about, and look:

        FG - 82
        3PT - 15
        FT - 60
        Dunk - 77
        Steal - 45
        Block - 86
        Off Rebound - 71
        Def Rebounds - 97
        Pass - 42
        Off Awareness - 84
        Def Awareness - 94
        Speed - 65
        Quick - 67
        Jump - 60
        Dribble - 46
        Strength - 75
        Hardiness - 80
        Stamina - 78
        Inside - 99
        Primacy - 88

        All those are accurate, you could say dribbling should be about 51, Strength should be about 80, and Stamina could be higher, but is fine because the stamina rating is the percentage of 48 minutes the player plays. 78 means he plays 37 minutes a game. He played 36.6 last year, but it could go up to about an 83 because his normal is about 39 mins.


        The players that need editing are the "less important" players, the bench players and the rookies are the ones that they massacre.

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        • Ofizzle
          Pro
          • Nov 2003
          • 632

          #5
          Re: Editing 'key' players...

          Originally posted by Stormlor
          I've read all the ratings, and I think most are fine. I really don't think we need to any editing at all. Take a look at Ben Wallace for example. Overall he blows, but look at his specality. His blocking and rebounding are very high, thats what he does in real life. Thats why I say the ratings seem fine to me.
          EA didn't screw up the stars, I went and looked at Duncan who everyone complained about, and look:

          FG - 82
          3PT - 15
          FT - 60
          Dunk - 77
          Steal - 45
          Block - 86
          Off Rebound - 71
          Def Rebounds - 97
          Pass - 42
          Off Awareness - 84
          Def Awareness - 94
          Speed - 65
          Quick - 67
          Jump - 60
          Dribble - 46
          Strength - 75
          Hardiness - 80
          Stamina - 78
          Inside - 99
          Primacy - 88

          All those are accurate, you could say dribbling should be about 51, Strength should be about 80, and Stamina could be higher, but is fine because the stamina rating is the percentage of 48 minutes the player plays. 78 means he plays 37 minutes a game. He played 36.6 last year, but it could go up to about an 83 because his normal is about 39 mins.


          The players that need editing are the "less important" players, the bench players and the rookies are the ones that they massacre.

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          • jpup
            MVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 4571

            #6
            Re: Editing 'key' players...

            the only way to edit rosters is to go by the stats and convert them into a rating. if you played mvp baseball with Geforce's rosters or the one that I updated then you will see the tremendous amount of work that he put in to get the right ratings. You have to go by the stats and not by guessing or watching them play or anything else. If I can get a formula down that I can use to redo every players ratings then I will be on it.

            Does anyone have a list of every rating that goes into the overall? I sold Live 04 a couple months ago so I don't know what all the categories are. I going to start a topic in the roster section so everyone can throw in their ideas.

            btw, you are right about oneal being a top 5 shot blocker.

            1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
            85 3.61
            2. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
            81 3.04
            3. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
            78 2.76
            4. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
            81 2.48
            5. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
            78 2.55
            Last edited by jpup; 09-28-2004, 04:30 AM.
            NFL: Tennessee Titans
            MLB: Cincinnati Reds

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            • jpup
              MVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 4571

              #7
              Re: Editing 'key' players...

              the only way to edit rosters is to go by the stats and convert them into a rating. if you played mvp baseball with Geforce's rosters or the one that I updated then you will see the tremendous amount of work that he put in to get the right ratings. You have to go by the stats and not by guessing or watching them play or anything else. If I can get a formula down that I can use to redo every players ratings then I will be on it.

              Does anyone have a list of every rating that goes into the overall? I sold Live 04 a couple months ago so I don't know what all the categories are. I going to start a topic in the roster section so everyone can throw in their ideas.

              btw, you are right about oneal being a top 5 shot blocker.

              1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
              85 3.61
              2. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
              81 3.04
              3. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
              78 2.76
              4. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
              81 2.48
              5. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
              78 2.55
              NFL: Tennessee Titans
              MLB: Cincinnati Reds

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              • Court_vision
                Banned
                • Oct 2002
                • 8290

                #8
                Re: Editing 'key' players...

                Originally posted by jpup
                t
                btw, you are right about oneal being a top 5 shot blocker.

                1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
                85 3.61
                2. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
                81 3.04
                3. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
                78 2.76
                4. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
                81 2.48
                5. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
                78 2.55
                Yeah, just things like that...common sense things.

                It's fine the other guys are happy with the ratings...I'll be editing for myself anyway Will post some things for anyone interested.

                As I said, 'common sense' things...

                For me, O'Neal is a better blocker and more of a go to guy than the stats represent...easy...fixed.

                Marcus Banks is slower than Keith Van Horn and several forwards...!!!!...out of the box...fixed.

                Etc.

                NAME FNAME
                Boykins Earl
                Iverson Allen
                Nash Steve
                Marbury Stephon
                Armstrong Darrell
                Claxton Speedy
                Davis Baron
                Van Exel Nick
                Stoudamire Damon
                Williams Jason
                Lue Tyronn
                Bryant Kobe
                Kidd Jason
                Finley Michael
                Francis Steve
                Terry Jason
                Wells Bonzi
                McGrady Tracy
                Marion Shawn
                Ford TJ
                Stackhouse Jerry
                Knight Brevin
                Houston Allan
                Richardson Jason
                Wade Dwyane
                Williams Shammond
                Mobley Cuttino
                Mason Desmond
                Buford Rodney
                Pierce Paul
                Norris Moochie
                Tinsley Jamaal
                Cassell Sam
                Billups Chauncey
                Redd Michael
                Miller Andre
                Hamilton Richard
                Payton Gary
                House Eddie
                Bell Troy
                Snow Eric
                Wesley David
                Hudson Troy
                Gill Eddie
                Fisher Derek
                Dooling Keyon
                Eisley Howard
                Odom Lamar
                Maggette Corey
                Delk Tony
                McInnis Jeff
                Miller Reggie
                James LeBron
                Hunter Lindsey
                Anderson Derek
                Barnes Matt
                Hardaway Penny
                Miller Mike
                Strickland Erick
                Martin Darrick
                Atkins Chucky
                Wallace Rasheed
                Benjamin Corey
                Childress Josh
                Williams Eric
                Telfair Sebastian
                Kittles Kerry
                Sprewell Latrell
                Ward Charlie
                Jones Damon
                Williamson Corliss
                Jones Dahntay
                Watson Earl
                Smith Steve
                Hart Jason
                Crawford Jamal
                James Mike
                Vaughn Jacque
                Sura Bob
                Miles Darius
                Rush Kareem
                Jones Eddie
                Garnett Kevin
                Anthony Carmelo
                Posey James
                Jefferson Richard
                Delfino Carlos
                Jaric Marko
                McKie Aaron
                Wagner Dajuan
                Williams Frank
                Pippen Scottie
                Stevenson DeShawn
                Anderson Shandon
                Garcia Alex
                Johnson Anthony
                Gasol Pau
                McDyess Antonio
                Woods Qyntel
                Van Horn Keith
                Dupree Ronald
                Harris Devin
                Richardson Quentin
                Hill Grant
                Smith Josh
                Brewer Jamison
                Pavlovic Aleksandar
                Augmon Stacey
                Jackson Stephen
                Davis Ricky
                Wilks Mike
                Robinson Eddie
                Mashburn Jamal
                Burks Antonio
                Banks Marcus

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                • Court_vision
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 8290

                  #9
                  Re: Editing 'key' players...

                  Originally posted by jpup
                  t
                  btw, you are right about oneal being a top 5 shot blocker.

                  1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
                  85 3.61
                  2. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
                  81 3.04
                  3. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
                  78 2.76
                  4. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
                  81 2.48
                  5. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
                  78 2.55
                  Yeah, just things like that...common sense things.

                  It's fine the other guys are happy with the ratings...I'll be editing for myself anyway Will post some things for anyone interested.

                  As I said, 'common sense' things...

                  For me, O'Neal is a better blocker and more of a go to guy than the stats represent...easy...fixed.

                  Marcus Banks is slower than Keith Van Horn and several forwards...!!!!...out of the box...fixed.

                  Etc.

                  NAME FNAME
                  Boykins Earl
                  Iverson Allen
                  Nash Steve
                  Marbury Stephon
                  Armstrong Darrell
                  Claxton Speedy
                  Davis Baron
                  Van Exel Nick
                  Stoudamire Damon
                  Williams Jason
                  Lue Tyronn
                  Bryant Kobe
                  Kidd Jason
                  Finley Michael
                  Francis Steve
                  Terry Jason
                  Wells Bonzi
                  McGrady Tracy
                  Marion Shawn
                  Ford TJ
                  Stackhouse Jerry
                  Knight Brevin
                  Houston Allan
                  Richardson Jason
                  Wade Dwyane
                  Williams Shammond
                  Mobley Cuttino
                  Mason Desmond
                  Buford Rodney
                  Pierce Paul
                  Norris Moochie
                  Tinsley Jamaal
                  Cassell Sam
                  Billups Chauncey
                  Redd Michael
                  Miller Andre
                  Hamilton Richard
                  Payton Gary
                  House Eddie
                  Bell Troy
                  Snow Eric
                  Wesley David
                  Hudson Troy
                  Gill Eddie
                  Fisher Derek
                  Dooling Keyon
                  Eisley Howard
                  Odom Lamar
                  Maggette Corey
                  Delk Tony
                  McInnis Jeff
                  Miller Reggie
                  James LeBron
                  Hunter Lindsey
                  Anderson Derek
                  Barnes Matt
                  Hardaway Penny
                  Miller Mike
                  Strickland Erick
                  Martin Darrick
                  Atkins Chucky
                  Wallace Rasheed
                  Benjamin Corey
                  Childress Josh
                  Williams Eric
                  Telfair Sebastian
                  Kittles Kerry
                  Sprewell Latrell
                  Ward Charlie
                  Jones Damon
                  Williamson Corliss
                  Jones Dahntay
                  Watson Earl
                  Smith Steve
                  Hart Jason
                  Crawford Jamal
                  James Mike
                  Vaughn Jacque
                  Sura Bob
                  Miles Darius
                  Rush Kareem
                  Jones Eddie
                  Garnett Kevin
                  Anthony Carmelo
                  Posey James
                  Jefferson Richard
                  Delfino Carlos
                  Jaric Marko
                  McKie Aaron
                  Wagner Dajuan
                  Williams Frank
                  Pippen Scottie
                  Stevenson DeShawn
                  Anderson Shandon
                  Garcia Alex
                  Johnson Anthony
                  Gasol Pau
                  McDyess Antonio
                  Woods Qyntel
                  Van Horn Keith
                  Dupree Ronald
                  Harris Devin
                  Richardson Quentin
                  Hill Grant
                  Smith Josh
                  Brewer Jamison
                  Pavlovic Aleksandar
                  Augmon Stacey
                  Jackson Stephen
                  Davis Ricky
                  Wilks Mike
                  Robinson Eddie
                  Mashburn Jamal
                  Burks Antonio
                  Banks Marcus

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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #10
                    Re: Editing 'key' players...

                    Originally posted by monkey
                    Well…I’ve put all the player stats into excel and had a good look at them all. Some players immediately stand out that need ‘fixing’. The clearest example of this is Jermaine O’Neal. This guy is a legit franchise player and was third in MVP voting last year.

                    In Live 05 he is:

                    21st for blocks

                    174th for FG’s.

                    16th for overall

                    135th for Offensive Rebounds

                    14th for Defensive Rebounds

                    5th for inside scoring.

                    21st for primacy (81 is way too low. The Pacers play a half court game and he’s their absolute ‘go to guy’. With Harrington traded, Jermaine is going to get all of their post plays. He really should be 90 minimum IMO so that they go to him most trips down the court)



                    IMO he’s a top 5 shot blocker, should be higher for FG’s and ORB’s. So, those up and primacy.



                    I am mainly going to focus on ‘fixing’ the star players / franchise players / go to guys / main defensive guys.

                    Anyone who tries to fix all the ratings down to the 3pt rating for the last man off the bench has my admiration…as well as a question mark next to their sanity

                    Overall, I think the ratings are pretty cool. There’s good distinction between star players, role players and scrubs. That’s the most important thing.

                    One strange stat…guess who has the highest stamina rating in the game? None other than…Vince Carter.
                    Good analysis.

                    The thing is monkey, I'm sure you've seen the latest videos. I'm pretty sure Steve left all CPU teams at "DYNAMIC" so you're going to get the 2 men on opposite sides of the post everytime down court. But Indy went to J.O. twice in the post I recall in a 2-minute video.

                    Now, if we switch Indy to a different offense, J.O. will still get his touches. It looks like regardless of the offense, they still go to him.

                    I'd like to see how it plays out the box with no ratings changes because I bet it will still average out to 20PPG, 9RPG, 2BPG and lower averages for weaker players.

                    Let's see.

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                    • bigeastbumrush
                      My Momma's Son
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 19245

                      #11
                      Re: Editing 'key' players...

                      Originally posted by monkey
                      Well…I’ve put all the player stats into excel and had a good look at them all. Some players immediately stand out that need ‘fixing’. The clearest example of this is Jermaine O’Neal. This guy is a legit franchise player and was third in MVP voting last year.

                      In Live 05 he is:

                      21st for blocks

                      174th for FG’s.

                      16th for overall

                      135th for Offensive Rebounds

                      14th for Defensive Rebounds

                      5th for inside scoring.

                      21st for primacy (81 is way too low. The Pacers play a half court game and he’s their absolute ‘go to guy’. With Harrington traded, Jermaine is going to get all of their post plays. He really should be 90 minimum IMO so that they go to him most trips down the court)



                      IMO he’s a top 5 shot blocker, should be higher for FG’s and ORB’s. So, those up and primacy.



                      I am mainly going to focus on ‘fixing’ the star players / franchise players / go to guys / main defensive guys.

                      Anyone who tries to fix all the ratings down to the 3pt rating for the last man off the bench has my admiration…as well as a question mark next to their sanity

                      Overall, I think the ratings are pretty cool. There’s good distinction between star players, role players and scrubs. That’s the most important thing.

                      One strange stat…guess who has the highest stamina rating in the game? None other than…Vince Carter.
                      Good analysis.

                      The thing is monkey, I'm sure you've seen the latest videos. I'm pretty sure Steve left all CPU teams at "DYNAMIC" so you're going to get the 2 men on opposite sides of the post everytime down court. But Indy went to J.O. twice in the post I recall in a 2-minute video.

                      Now, if we switch Indy to a different offense, J.O. will still get his touches. It looks like regardless of the offense, they still go to him.

                      I'd like to see how it plays out the box with no ratings changes because I bet it will still average out to 20PPG, 9RPG, 2BPG and lower averages for weaker players.

                      Let's see.

                      Comment

                      • aukevin
                        War Eagle, Go Braves!
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 14700

                        #12
                        Re: Editing 'key' players...

                        Originally posted by jpup
                        Does anyone have a list of every rating that goes into the overall? I sold Live 04 a couple months ago so I don't know what all the categories are. I going to start a topic in the roster section so everyone can throw in their ideas.
                        well, you can get all the player ratings here: http://sports.ign.com/articles/550/550283p1.html

                        Is that what you are looking for?

                        Atlanta Braves
                        - Auburn Tigers - Nashville Predators

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                        • aukevin
                          War Eagle, Go Braves!
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 14700

                          #13
                          Re: Editing 'key' players...

                          Originally posted by jpup
                          Does anyone have a list of every rating that goes into the overall? I sold Live 04 a couple months ago so I don't know what all the categories are. I going to start a topic in the roster section so everyone can throw in their ideas.
                          well, you can get all the player ratings here: http://sports.ign.com/articles/550/550283p1.html

                          Is that what you are looking for?

                          Atlanta Braves
                          - Auburn Tigers - Nashville Predators

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                          • Ofizzle
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 632

                            #14
                            Re: Editing 'key' players...

                            Originally posted by jpup
                            the only way to edit rosters is to go by the stats and convert them into a rating. if you played mvp baseball with Geforce's rosters or the one that I updated then you will see the tremendous amount of work that he put in to get the right ratings. You have to go by the stats and not by guessing or watching them play or anything else. If I can get a formula down that I can use to redo every players ratings then I will be on it.

                            Does anyone have a list of every rating that goes into the overall? I sold Live 04 a couple months ago so I don't know what all the categories are. I going to start a topic in the roster section so everyone can throw in their ideas.

                            btw, you are right about oneal being a top 5 shot blocker.

                            1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
                            85 3.61
                            2. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
                            81 3.04
                            3. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
                            78 2.76
                            4. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
                            81 2.48
                            5. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
                            78 2.55
                            Actually.......


                            <TABLE class=gSGTablenull cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>85</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>307</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>5.53</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 2. Chris Andersen (Denver Nuggets)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>71</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>114</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>5.32</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 3. Marcus Camby (Denver Nuggets)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>72</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>187</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4.15</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 4. Samuel Dalembert (Philadelphia 76ers)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>82</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>189</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4.13</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 5. Calvin Booth (Seattle SuperSonics)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>71</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>101</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4.02</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 6. Dan Gadzuric (Milwaukee Bucks)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>75</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>105</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4.00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 7. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>81</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>246</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3.87</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 8. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>81</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>201</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>3.80</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 9. Stromile Swift (Memphis Grizzlies)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>77</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>118</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3.71</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 10. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>78</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>215</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>3.56</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 11. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>69</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>185</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3.51</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 12. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
                            </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>78</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>199</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>3.43</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


                            That's the blocks per 48 minutes, as you can see, JO is the 12th best blocker per minute.

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                            • Ofizzle
                              Pro
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 632

                              #15
                              Re: Editing 'key' players...

                              Originally posted by jpup
                              the only way to edit rosters is to go by the stats and convert them into a rating. if you played mvp baseball with Geforce's rosters or the one that I updated then you will see the tremendous amount of work that he put in to get the right ratings. You have to go by the stats and not by guessing or watching them play or anything else. If I can get a formula down that I can use to redo every players ratings then I will be on it.

                              Does anyone have a list of every rating that goes into the overall? I sold Live 04 a couple months ago so I don't know what all the categories are. I going to start a topic in the roster section so everyone can throw in their ideas.

                              btw, you are right about oneal being a top 5 shot blocker.

                              1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
                              85 3.61
                              2. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
                              81 3.04
                              3. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
                              78 2.76
                              4. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
                              81 2.48
                              5. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
                              78 2.55
                              Actually.......


                              <TABLE class=gSGTablenull cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 1. Theo Ratliff (Portland Trail Blazers)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>85</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>307</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>5.53</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 2. Chris Andersen (Denver Nuggets)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>71</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>114</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>5.32</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 3. Marcus Camby (Denver Nuggets)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>72</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>187</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4.15</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 4. Samuel Dalembert (Philadelphia 76ers)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>82</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>189</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4.13</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 5. Calvin Booth (Seattle SuperSonics)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>71</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>101</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4.02</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 6. Dan Gadzuric (Milwaukee Bucks)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>75</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>105</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>4.00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 7. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>81</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>246</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3.87</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 8. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>81</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>201</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>3.80</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 9. Stromile Swift (Memphis Grizzlies)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>77</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>118</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3.71</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 10. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>78</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>215</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>3.56</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven> 11. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>69</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>185</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>3.51</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd> 12. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
                              </TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>78</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>199</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>3.43</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


                              That's the blocks per 48 minutes, as you can see, JO is the 12th best blocker per minute.

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