Ea sports titles moving to frost bite engine (NBA live also)

[sarlndr]

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Faces are the least of Lives worries.

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[Goffs]

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RIP Ignite

Frostbite is a great engine! I'm curious how it will look in sports titles.

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[Whaaaazuuuuup]

Re: Ea sports titles moving to frost bite engine (NBA live also)

Problem is EA has a bunch of nerds who aren't hip to the bball culture. Guys who've never played bball beyond parks and rec

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RIP Ignite

Frostbite is a great engine! I'm curious how it will look in sports titles.

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Isn't this the same exact thing they said with Ignite?

[Playmakers]

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Isn't this the same exact thing they said with Ignite?

LOL!

Yep they said the thing....

What good is the engine if you continue to fail with the product you put on the floor....

That's like telling your fans your team is going to have new top notch gear to wear but your players will still suck.

[Ermolli]

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I believe NBA Live 17 (or whatever EA's going to call their early 2017 game) will have Frostbite or at least that's what I hope for, the "something new and exciting" experience from the letter and the delay gives me hope of that.
I hope this transition finally makes Live have good animations which are long overdue, plus better physicality and AI (specially late game AI).

From what I've played NBA Live 16 isn't as bad as many make it out to be (talking only about gameplay) thanks in part to the patches and finally Synergy working in some way; the game itself is mediocre at best with lack of support, boring and shallow offline modes, no editing and with a surprisingly entertaining Pro-Am mode (whenever people aren't ballhogs and chucking ridiculous shots).
An overhaul in the animation area (which is what I expect from this new engine) and improvements in other areas could make this game good again.

[jadert]

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Let's skip the whole "this is the best thing since slice bread" thing and get to the good questions:

1. Will this engine need another "3 year plan" for it to be functional and playable? We've been through 2 of these cycles already the last 6 years.

2. Will they actually take community feedback and develop features that are requested year after year?

3. Will the community give constructive feedback instead of downplaying significant issues and accepting the same mediocre product year after year?

If we can address these in future releases, count me in!!!

[bigeastbumrush]

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An engine won't magically make a terrible game good.

That shared technology was the same crap they spewed with the current engine.

[seanhazz1]

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Let's skip the whole "this is the best thing since slice bread" thing and get to the good questions:

1. Will this engine need another "3 year plan" for it to be functional and playable? We've been through 2 of these cycles already the last 6 years.

2. Will they actually take community feedback and develop features that are requested year after year?

3. Will the community give constructive feedback instead of downplaying significant issues and accepting the same mediocre product year after year?

If we can address these in future releases, count me in!!!

I'd rather discuss why this is the best thing since sliced bread, lol.

1. Yes, as they all should going forward, IMO. Current technology advances faster than any 3 year "plan" today, so the updates (annual for some games) are needed to stay "competitive", and any complaints about another 3yr cycle today is somewhat moot, with regards to the speed at which the tech world is progressing.

Looking back, I think seeing the sales deficit in front of them, LIVE intended to build a basketball option from the ground up, from the beginning and didn't seek to dethrone 2K at all as some may have suggested and wanted. The upcoming renewed console wars (whatever they are calling the upcoming .5 versions of current consoles to be released) and beyond, will ultimately determine who gets our future NBA video game dollars, and that's what it appears EA is interested in with this upcoming project, while conceding the loss this gen. By delaying the release early, they are being up front and informative.

2. Live team has admitted deficiencies throughout their process, but this community as a whole, generally gives more "this sucks" feedback than "constructive" feedback, and LIVE devs presumably have to scour through more hate mail than anything else to get good data. Any attempt to give constructive criticism or noting good features and improvements from the community, or how to pull off certain things, is often met with "still sucks" or "I'm not seeing that", not to mention directly attacking Devs worth. True feedback will require some to take a sterile tester approach, instead of copy and pasting articles and opinions from other people. There are some here who actually test with an intent to feedback the results to the community and devs, whether it be sliders, settings, content additions, etc, but we need more than just a few to truly have an impact in the process.

Live doesn't even get respect in its own OS forum space, instead NBA 2K articles are shown on Live's "own"splash/advertising page. EA's Hockey, EA's FIFA, EA's Madden, MLB The Show, and of course 2K, all get their own articles on their own splash pages. If the "community" journalists aren't even writing positive or informative LIVE specific articles that appear on LIVE's splash page, the main advertisement page for the sub forum, how can you expect any positive LIVE interest?(I've mentioned this before) In contrast, we are flooded with 2k info everywhere.

It starts here, on the forums, with us IMO, and our tone towards developers and the LIVE series development in general. Generally its not hopeful, constructive, or positive,(yes i understand why) and generally, to change a product we have to change our approach to its development, and possibly take a leap of faith, as we do so often in other games we are "loyal" to just because of the game's name, series, or developer.
The funny part to me is, if LIVE started this as a kick starter, with promised bells and whistles, people would have given their money in droves, without even seeing a demo, but won't buy the game post release based on others' reviews. Its not as bad as many haters claim it to be, it's just not as good or mature as 2K currently is, that's all.

3. I'd say that EVERY game released is built upon collective "feedback" from play testers to managers to community, so the notion that they don't listen is more personal and nearsighted, and skewed to specific "missing" content, and its not a general practice of any major company looking to profit. Just being real. The REAL answer to this question is a personal answer. When EA doesn't respond "on demand" on social forums, people make up what they want, or clamor EA isn't listening and doesn't care about their opinion.

We do need the competition between games, but also the products to match expectations, and I think going forward this (Frostbite 3) will be key, based on personally experiencing the content in their other game releases using the Frostbite 3 Engine already.

[jadert]

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I'd rather discuss why this is the best thing since sliced bread, lol.

1. Yes, as they all should going forward, IMO. Current technology advances faster than any 3 year "plan" today, so the updates (annual for some games) are needed to stay "competitive", and any complaints about another 3yr cycle today is somewhat moot, with regards to the speed at which the tech world is progressing.

Looking back, I think seeing the sales deficit in front of them, LIVE intended to build a basketball option from the ground up, from the beginning and didn't seek to dethrone 2K at all as some may have suggested and wanted. The upcoming renewed console wars (whatever they are calling the upcoming .5 versions of current consoles to be released) and beyond, will ultimately determine who gets our future NBA video game dollars, and that's what it appears EA is interested in with this upcoming project, while conceding the loss this gen. By delaying the release early, they are being up front and informative.

2. Live team has admitted deficiencies throughout their process, but this community as a whole, generally gives more "this sucks" feedback than "constructive" feedback, and LIVE devs presumably have to scour through more hate mail than anything else to get good data. Any attempt to give constructive criticism or noting good features and improvements from the community, or how to pull off certain things, is often met with "still sucks" or "I'm not seeing that", not to mention directly attacking Devs worth. True feedback will require some to take a sterile tester approach, instead of copy and pasting articles and opinions from other people. There are some here who actually test with an intent to feedback the results to the community and devs, whether it be sliders, settings, content additions, etc, but we need more than just a few to truly have an impact in the process.

Live doesn't even get respect in its own OS forum space, instead NBA 2K articles are shown on Live's "own"splash/advertising page. EA's Hockey, EA's FIFA, EA's Madden, MLB The Show, and of course 2K, all get their own articles on their own splash pages. If the "community" journalists aren't even writing positive or informative LIVE specific articles that appear on LIVE's splash page, the main advertisement page for the sub forum, how can you expect any positive LIVE interest?(I've mentioned this before) In contrast, we are flooded with 2k info everywhere.

It starts here, on the forums, with us IMO, and our tone towards developers and the LIVE series development in general. Generally its not hopeful, constructive, or positive,(yes i understand why) and generally, to change a product we have to change our approach to its development, and possibly take a leap of faith, as we do so often in other games we are "loyal" to just because of the game's name, series, or developer.
The funny part to me is, if LIVE started this as a kick starter, with promised bells and whistles, people would have given their money in droves, without even seeing a demo, but won't buy the game post release based on others' reviews. Its not as bad as many haters claim it to be, it's just not as good or mature as 2K currently is, that's all.

3. I'd say that EVERY game released is built upon collective "feedback" from play testers to managers to community, so the notion that they don't listen is more personal and nearsighted, and skewed to specific "missing" content, and its not a general practice of any major company looking to profit. Just being real. The REAL answer to this question is a personal answer. When EA doesn't respond "on demand" on social forums, people make up what they want, or clamor EA isn't listening and doesn't care about their opinion.

We do need the competition between games, but also the products to match expectations, and I think going forward this (Frostbite 3) will be key, based on personally experiencing the content in their other game releases using the Frostbite 3 Engine already.

Those are great responses. I like your enthusiasm. I was like that once, and then I was crushed. I'm in my 30's and grew up on "Live". I always root for it, but clearly NBA 2K has the better game by miles. This is why you see information overload about 2K. The market dictates this. That's what sells. Only a very small section of the video game sports population own NBA Live. Remember, NBA Live was once in the position 2K is in now; and with more competition.

But with all that said, I still want Live to become a great basketball game. Last year I was so disappointed I stopped coming to the forum because I didn't want to keep talking negative about it.

[The 24th Letter]

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If Live is looking to build an option instead of a competitior, their first piece of media for their upcoming game shouldn't include 'watch out 2k!' In the footage.....and they should echo this to their community leaders ..

The most visible people in the Live community actually brought on a lot of the negative attention that the game received this past year with the way they went about promoting the game....some completely doing a 180 on the game mid release when they felt EA wasn't listening.....how do you expect to build a solid community like that?

If EA is expecting an overabundance of positivity as a prerequisite to keep making games, they've already failed. They have to expect that there will be people who are going to bash the game regardless of progress.

The also need to look for quality feedback in the right places. I'm sorry but constantly singing their praises for phantom patches, saying they're actively involved because you saw some records updated isn't helping.....it's letting them off the hook...nor is blaming blatant gameplay quirks on the idea that guys 'are just used to 2k'.

[Crunky]

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There's one huge difference between NBA live and its competitor, the key difference is the competition listens and implements customer feedback. NBA live for the most part ignores customer feedback, you could tell by my 300 idea wishlist on the competition forum wishlist thread and compare that to the NBA live wishlist. That level of passion from the fanbase use to be their now is gone from years of NBA live mismanagement and from fans being ignored. You can't sugercoat it by hiring gamechangers it has to be from the community itself that's the only way NBA live can repair their image amongst the fans.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

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I'm over this please listen to this OS community that hates live crap or any Twitter/YouTube person that just wants followers. Not one of you posted on the impressions thread once the game came out. It always the pre release hate here then disappear.

EA access, the demo, free play, blogs, live run tournaments and the updates have really improved the game and outreach far more than any community day or post online.

But yes live needs to get the younger gen hooked somehow. Maybe I'm just old and cranky but this so called community of kids or a Scott OG who talked crap about 2k for a whole year then switched is really going to improve live? Or get it to a game they are more familiar with and biased towards?

[Walt Frazier]

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No one hypes 'new engines' like EA.


They already used 'Frostbite' for their golf game. I got hooked by all the hype..."Golf without limits".....and bought it almost immediately.


End result = same issues. Same underwhelming limitations.


I hope the extra time means that Live, Madden, Fifa all do benefit...but the first sports title with it was very average.


Get ready for tons of videos like this...I was super hyped. Bought it.


And then the 5/10 scores starting rolling out.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT_4a7aEOC0

[tedus]

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I do not hype anything unless they show something amazing!!
Changing the engine is a good thing, but it doesn't mean it totally different!!

Take NBA2K for example, there are still hundreds of legacy bugs from old engine!!
So, don't expect too much.

I only hope that the NBA live is not cancelled again and launch on time!!

BTW, look at the FIFA 17, this game is built by frostbite engine.
From latest trailers, I think the graphic is better than Ignite engine.
but others, it seems the same!