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  • Miles_Yuhas
    MVP
    • Mar 2004
    • 2689

    #16
    Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

    Originally posted by sirjam
    Actually its just like Mike said on steals and blocks, occassionally you can get some of rebounds but its rare. Also you have to have numbers like he said and you can get some nice breaks, especially if you steal near half court.
    Exactly. They do work.

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    • Miles_Yuhas
      MVP
      • Mar 2004
      • 2689

      #17
      Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

      Originally posted by sirjam
      Actually its just like Mike said on steals and blocks, occassionally you can get some of rebounds but its rare. Also you have to have numbers like he said and you can get some nice breaks, especially if you steal near half court.
      Exactly. They do work.

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      • PlayaHataSupreme
        MVP
        • Jun 2003
        • 2209

        #18
        Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

        Originally posted by Miles_Yuhas
        Do people not realize this? There is just this dumb thing in the game that makes people think that the fastbreaks are broken. Here it goes.

        If you get a rebound and try to push it the fastbreaks will not work and the players will stop at the three-point line and turn adn catch the pass. But, on a steal or block and fastbreak is under way. if you get a steal your guards will sprint up the court and streak towards the hoop, catching the ball on the run. Same if you block a shot, pass the ball up because your players will be streaking. Also, your players will not streak to the hoop if you don't have numbers.

        I think that EA does this because they don't want the game to become a run n' gun type on every play. They want you to give the ball to the point and set up the offense.
        It seems that this game in general does annoying things to "keep the game balanced" such as those annoying slow passes by the likes of Steve Nash.......

        Not to mention it has to make an animation to justify everything that happens..... in doing so, it forces animations to happen, if you want an example of that, take a look at those fake gliding blocks any player with a block rating above 60 can do.

        My only problem is, games are almost as competitive on All Star than on Superstar, and the fast breaks are more realistic on that level....... the computer gets more fast breaks on All-Star, too.

        But I get around, this is the first game since Live 2000 I can get realistic stats on 12 minute quarters, with blocks as an exception.......
        Last edited by PlayaHataSupreme; 01-30-2005, 11:56 PM.
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        • PlayaHataSupreme
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 2209

          #19
          Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

          Originally posted by Miles_Yuhas
          Do people not realize this? There is just this dumb thing in the game that makes people think that the fastbreaks are broken. Here it goes.

          If you get a rebound and try to push it the fastbreaks will not work and the players will stop at the three-point line and turn adn catch the pass. But, on a steal or block and fastbreak is under way. if you get a steal your guards will sprint up the court and streak towards the hoop, catching the ball on the run. Same if you block a shot, pass the ball up because your players will be streaking. Also, your players will not streak to the hoop if you don't have numbers.

          I think that EA does this because they don't want the game to become a run n' gun type on every play. They want you to give the ball to the point and set up the offense.
          It seems that this game in general does annoying things to "keep the game balanced" such as those annoying slow passes by the likes of Steve Nash.......

          Not to mention it has to make an animation to justify everything that happens..... in doing so, it forces animations to happen, if you want an example of that, take a look at those fake gliding blocks any player with a block rating above 60 can do.

          My only problem is, games are almost as competitive on All Star than on Superstar, and the fast breaks are more realistic on that level....... the computer gets more fast breaks on All-Star, too.

          But I get around, this is the first game since Live 2000 I can get realistic stats on 12 minute quarters, with blocks as an exception.......
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          NBA: Houston Rockets
          NFL: Tennessee Titans
          MLB: Chicago White Sox
          NCAA: Florida State Seminoles


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          • SonicMage
            NBA Ratings Wizard
            • Oct 2002
            • 3544

            #20
            Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

            Originally posted by PlayaHataSupreme
            But I get around, this is the first game since Live 2000 I can get realistic stats on 12 minute quarters, with blocks as an exception.......
            Realistic assists, too? How?
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            • SonicMage
              NBA Ratings Wizard
              • Oct 2002
              • 3544

              #21
              Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

              Originally posted by PlayaHataSupreme
              But I get around, this is the first game since Live 2000 I can get realistic stats on 12 minute quarters, with blocks as an exception.......
              Realistic assists, too? How?
              NBA 2K18 ratings for several seasons generated from advanced analytics using the SportsCrunch system:

              Sonicmage NBA 2K18 Ratings 2017-18 season
              Link to Ratings 1996-2017
              Link to Ratings 1973-1996
              Link to Ratings All-time

              Discussion found here

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              • AdamBa17
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 1112

                #22
                Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                Yep, I haven't had problems with fastbreaks in this game personally.

                Sonicimage, I get realistic assists. Try Playmakers sliders and his playbooks. I know people didn't think playbooks were working, but that's because they were changing from Dynamic. You have to change the quick plays, coz that's what the CPU uses. CPU averages between 15 and 20 assists a game against me. I have had nash, kidd etc get over 10 assists against me a few times.

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                • AdamBa17
                  Banned
                  • May 2003
                  • 1112

                  #23
                  Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                  Yep, I haven't had problems with fastbreaks in this game personally.

                  Sonicimage, I get realistic assists. Try Playmakers sliders and his playbooks. I know people didn't think playbooks were working, but that's because they were changing from Dynamic. You have to change the quick plays, coz that's what the CPU uses. CPU averages between 15 and 20 assists a game against me. I have had nash, kidd etc get over 10 assists against me a few times.

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                  • PlayaHataSupreme
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 2209

                    #24
                    Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                    Originally posted by Sonicmage
                    Realistic assists, too? How?
                    Well I didn't realize that much that realistic assists were hard to get........ I have the Houston Rockets who are not exactly known for their league-leading assist numbers for PGs.......

                    I average around 4 with McGrady and my PGs put together average around 7....... so that may be a slightly low number.........

                    The computer sometimes gets 12 assists with their PGs, other times they struggle to get more than 5. I would like to see more 15 assist nights from CPU PGs, Brevin Knight style........
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                    • PlayaHataSupreme
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 2209

                      #25
                      Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                      Originally posted by Sonicmage
                      Realistic assists, too? How?
                      Well I didn't realize that much that realistic assists were hard to get........ I have the Houston Rockets who are not exactly known for their league-leading assist numbers for PGs.......

                      I average around 4 with McGrady and my PGs put together average around 7....... so that may be a slightly low number.........

                      The computer sometimes gets 12 assists with their PGs, other times they struggle to get more than 5. I would like to see more 15 assist nights from CPU PGs, Brevin Knight style........
                      Favorite Teams:
                      NBA: Houston Rockets
                      NFL: Tennessee Titans
                      MLB: Chicago White Sox
                      NCAA: Florida State Seminoles


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                      • LandoRigs
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 47

                        #26
                        Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                        One thing I have come to like about Live over ESPN is that you really have to work to get your assists and fast breaks. I play on Superstar with slight slider tweaks and a downloaded roster and I manage a few here and there. Sometimes I instigate it by taking control of a player and sending him down court as soon as the cpu releases the shot and others just naturally come. When I play good defense and get a steal near half court, I can get fast breaks. Also, the fast break button really does work in comparison to just the pass button or icon passing.

                        In my games on 9 minute quarters, I average around 30+ assists a game as a team even if I don't get to the century mark point wise. Also, on Superstar, the cpu does a good job of getting assists with their point guards and the numbers vary depending on how good of a guard they are. Earlier today, I got a triple double with Kobe, Lamar had six assists and Chucky had five. I can get assists and rebounds too easily in ESPN, when I get triple doubles in Live, I feel like I really earned it.

                        So about the assists and fast breaks, it just may be the way you're playing the game.

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                        • LandoRigs
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 47

                          #27
                          Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                          One thing I have come to like about Live over ESPN is that you really have to work to get your assists and fast breaks. I play on Superstar with slight slider tweaks and a downloaded roster and I manage a few here and there. Sometimes I instigate it by taking control of a player and sending him down court as soon as the cpu releases the shot and others just naturally come. When I play good defense and get a steal near half court, I can get fast breaks. Also, the fast break button really does work in comparison to just the pass button or icon passing.

                          In my games on 9 minute quarters, I average around 30+ assists a game as a team even if I don't get to the century mark point wise. Also, on Superstar, the cpu does a good job of getting assists with their point guards and the numbers vary depending on how good of a guard they are. Earlier today, I got a triple double with Kobe, Lamar had six assists and Chucky had five. I can get assists and rebounds too easily in ESPN, when I get triple doubles in Live, I feel like I really earned it.

                          So about the assists and fast breaks, it just may be the way you're playing the game.

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                          • Court_vision
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 8290

                            #28
                            Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                            I can run the occasional fast break. Most times it doesn't work...occasionally it does.

                            My biggest gripe is the CPU is absolutely f********** terrible at running them. In fact, they can't. Sure they get the odd block that leads to a break.

                            That is not a true fast break.

                            I have purposely pulled my defenders away and let the CPU have a 3 on 1. They'll have KIDD, CARTER and RJ in the open court...and Kidd slides like an old man while RJ and Vince walk like blind ducks to the three point lines.

                            It's beyond bad.

                            Anyone stating otherwise doesn't know what the hell a fast break is...and obviously doesn't want it fixed for 2006.

                            Bottom line, it's time for EA to fix it as it was crap in 2K4 also.

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                            • Court_vision
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 8290

                              #29
                              Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                              I can run the occasional fast break. Most times it doesn't work...occasionally it does.

                              My biggest gripe is the CPU is absolutely f********** terrible at running them. In fact, they can't. Sure they get the odd block that leads to a break.

                              That is not a true fast break.

                              I have purposely pulled my defenders away and let the CPU have a 3 on 1. They'll have KIDD, CARTER and RJ in the open court...and Kidd slides like an old man while RJ and Vince walk like blind ducks to the three point lines.

                              It's beyond bad.

                              Anyone stating otherwise doesn't know what the hell a fast break is...and obviously doesn't want it fixed for 2006.

                              Bottom line, it's time for EA to fix it as it was crap in 2K4 also.

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                              • bulls96
                                Pro
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 759

                                #30
                                Re: Do people not realize that the fastbreaks DO work in Live 05?

                                Originally posted by AdamBa17
                                Try Playmakers sliders and his playbooks. I know people didn't think playbooks were working, but that's because they were changing from Dynamic. You have to change the quick plays, coz that's what the CPU uses.

                                Is this true? the CPU runs the quick plays? it doesnt seem so in the past lives so i haven't tried it.

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