Could Live Finally Be Dead? New Info.

[Mintsa]

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Mazique just put out a 1 hour plus video answering people's questions including this question about Live. He said it sounds like Live may never return and he says Scott OG is working on the NCAA Football game.

Damn…..the game of my childhood finally sits down forever.

I’m pretty sure EA didn’t renew the nba license. I remember when 2K announced it. EA said nothing.

They probably didn’t renew the license and therefor can not even make an nba game if they even wanted to…..


PS: Shout out to lakers vs Celtics, nba live 95, nba live 2000 and nba live 2004/2005. I see you guys. Good times.

[jfsolo]

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Mazique just put out a 1 hour plus video answering people's questions including this question about Live. He said it sounds like Live may never return and he says Scott OG is working on the NCAA Football game.

Although he's probably right, I thought this myself, he is only speculating about OG, he's not saying it as a verifiable fact. The most compelling argument is the dispersal of all the former Live developers to other games or a departure from the company, IMO.

[TarHeelPhenom]

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Although he's probably right, I thought this myself, he is only speculating about OG, he's not saying it as a verifiable fact. The most compelling argument is the dispersal of all the former Live developers to other games or a departure from the company, IMO.

If this is true this was indeed a sad end to a storied franchise. Maybe another developer will jump in the basketball ring.

[illwill10]

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If this is true this was indeed a sad end to a storied franchise. Maybe another developer will jump in the basketball ring.

Who else is there really? Any other developer is starting completely from scratch and has a big hill to climb. Regardless if someone doesn't like 2k, it'll take many years just to get on the current level of 2k, by then 2k would've expanded the gap even more. Their agreement isn't exclusive, but not too many publishers are going to commit to a 7 year 1.1 billion type of license 2k has with the NBA.
Only one I can see is maybe Sony San Diego since they were making the NBA the Life games as recent as a decade ago. But, I doubt those games ever sold well and San Diego Studio is fully dedicated to the MLB The Show. It isn't like the 6th generation where a lot of publishers were willing to take the risk. It does suck. Not counting PES and the racing games, it is pretty much EA and 2k as far as Major American sports publishers. Outside of Super Mega Baseball, not too many indie sports game made it in this era. I do wish we were in that PS2/Xbox sports game era. With these new consoles, one can only imagine if we had more than just 2 main sports publishers all competing and innovating.

[BQ32]

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Though I believe more signs than not are pointing to this franchise being dead mostly what Mazique has said is his own speculation and he does not have any more info than us in regards to Scott OG and Rob and what there situation is with EA. I personally don't think it would make any sense for Scott OG to work on a football game. It is not like he came up in the game dev world from that aspect and his expertise was in precise knowledge and professional experience in the actual sport. In regards to football even if he is knowledgeable he would still essentially just be a fan. Plus I did look at his twitter and even though Mazique says he also is interested in football I couldn't remember seeing any of it while basketball was 90+% of all his posts. Mazique also keeps going on about them bringing back Fight Night and I am telling you that just aint happening any time soon. he also thinks they are revealing a game on the 20th which I am pretty sure they are just going to talk about FIFA, so not that I am trying to crap on him, sorry if it is coming across that way but I am just not holding much weight in that video he posted.
I brought up his point about rumors of the Dev team being disbanded and another youtuber "Sports Streams Network" responded with this:

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SPORTS STREAMS NETWORK
1 day ago (edited)
The truth is, EA SPORTS fired most of the devs from NBA LIVE, while moving others to different genres. They’ve invested in multiple studios; including one in “Madrid, Spain”, which is solely dedicated to NBA LIVE. I’ve played two conference calls from ‘Andrew Wilson’, talking about the fact that they’re not done with “NBA LIVE.” He said that they’re disappointed with the sales, and wants to get it right. No way will they spend $300M or more on a “Next Gen” game without enough people owning those platforms. They’ll be back at the right time."

I don't know how connected this guy is if at all but I do remember a bunch of articles popping up just before LIVE 19 dropped about them setting up a new studio in Madrid that was working on Live in conjunction with Tiburon in Orlando. His view is that Live is not making a comeback until there is a larger install base for the new gen consoles as the series is completely done with ps4/xbox one gen. I guess that gives some optimism for the future but I personally am done researching and hoping for it at this point. If it comes it comes.

[illwill10]

Re: Could Live Finally Be Dead? New Info.

Though I believe more signs than not are pointing to this franchise being dead mostly what Mazique has said is his own speculation and he does not have any more info than us in regards to Scott OG and Rob and what there situation is with EA. I personally don't think it would make any sense for Scott OG to work on a football game. It is not like he came up in the game dev world from that aspect and his expertise was in precise knowledge and professional experience in the actual sport. In regards to football even if he is knowledgeable he would still essentially just be a fan. Plus I did look at his twitter and even though Mazique says he also is interested in football I couldn't remember seeing any of it while basketball was 90+% of all his posts. Mazique also keeps going on about them bringing back Fight Night and I am telling you that just aint happening any time soon. he also thinks they are revealing a game on the 20th which I am pretty sure they are just going to talk about FIFA, so not that I am trying to crap on him, sorry if it is coming across that way but I am just not holding much weight in that video he posted.
I brought up his point about rumors of the Dev team being disbanded and another youtuber "Sports Streams Network" responded with this:

"Highlighted reply
SPORTS STREAMS NETWORK
1 day ago (edited)
The truth is, EA SPORTS fired most of the devs from NBA LIVE, while moving others to different genres. They’ve invested in multiple studios; including one in “Madrid, Spain”, which is solely dedicated to NBA LIVE. I’ve played two conference calls from ‘Andrew Wilson’, talking about the fact that they’re not done with “NBA LIVE.” He said that they’re disappointed with the sales, and wants to get it right. No way will they spend $300M or more on a “Next Gen” game without enough people owning those platforms. They’ll be back at the right time."

I don't know how connected this guy is if at all but I do remember a bunch of articles popping up just before LIVE 19 dropped about them setting up a new studio in Madrid that was working on Live in conjunction with Tiburon in Orlando. His view is that Live is not making a comeback until there is a larger install base for the new gen consoles as the series is completely done with ps4/xbox one gen. I guess that gives some optimism for the future but I personally am done researching and hoping for it at this point. If it comes it comes.

That could be the case. But if they want a larger next gen install base, you're talking the earliest being 2023. That would be 5 years since the release of Live 19 in 2018. They would have to an excellent good of repairing the Live brand and marketing the game to come out swinging with sales after being 5 years dormant

[TarHeelPhenom]

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There was no reason for this series to go under. It's like they never fully recovered from NBA Elite 11. I actually though 18 and 19 were pretty good games... especially out if the box and hooef that they would build on it. I still play them from time to time. Just a shame because Live was my go to game for basketball in the 90's-early to mid-2000's.

[noshun]

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It's been dead since 07, with M. Wang saving a year. Other than that it's curtain's B. Elite 11 compounded the wound, and the gap widened. EA is their own worse enemy. Forced stuff fans didn't ask for, and fans not holding them accountable.

You fans get what you deserve..

[BQ32]

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It's been dead since 07, with M. Wang saving a year. Other than that it's curtain's B. Elite 11 compounded the wound, and the gap widened. EA is their own worse enemy. Forced stuff fans didn't ask for, and fans not holding them accountable.

You fans get what you deserve..

I am so sick of listening to your garbage, aka you get what you deserve. YOU are the one that gets what you deserve. You crap on Live any chance you get acting like 2k's personal hype train when they feed you a bugged filled mess of a game at $100 on release then expect you to turn around and drop another $50 to get a player that is even worth using for the first couple of months. Then on top of that it is an add filled nauseating grind to level up your player just to keep their engagement numbers high and still put in pay to win schemes where you are forced to partake or be at competitive disadvantage. Players like you gladly bend over and except all of it singing praises of glee while it's being shoveled to you. Meanwhile a decent alternative in Live 18 and 19 comes along, not perfect games by far but definitely games that a basketball fan can have a lot of fun with and allows you to quickly level up players and not force any microtransactions on you. But what do you morons do. You rush out like 2k's personal red blood cells to attack any potential invader slandering the competition at every chance not allowing a decent alternative to ever pick up momentum and force some competition so 2k has to step up there game. Again you get what you deserve, a game company that monetizes off your every action in the game while not even bothering to fix game breaking bugs that literally shut off your entire console mid game or even corrupt and disappear your my player files that you have invested a hundred plus dollars and 10s to 100s of hours into.
And get out of here with Mike Wang, sure he has had some good ideas at times but tell me how good the gameplay on 2k has been the last few years. Last I checked it doesn't play anything like the actual sport. Veteran players have been telling this guy for years that guaranteed makes and badges have ruined the gameplay so what does he do? Doubles down and doubles up the amount of badges in the game and makes timing a single button press more important than all other aspects of the game combined. Lets not even get into the exploits such as speed boosting and how about allowing cheating with zens and modded controllers to completely run rampant and not being punished in the game that literally has virtual wagering and a pro league attached to it. Again, you have gotten what you deserve, the problem is that the rest of us that see the issues and try to support an alternative get punished right along with you because of your stupid fanboyism.

[noshun]

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I've said nothing about the other game here. Let me ask you what has being easy on EA done for Live? I used to be a tester for EA specifically placed on NBA Live, so if you ever get the chance ask former EAMarcus about me, I've done more than enough to help this franchise. What have you done? Get yourself some Kleenex..

[TarHeelPhenom]

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I've said nothing about the other game here. Let me ask you what has being easy on EA done for Live? I used to be a tester for EA specifically placed on NBA Live, so if you ever get the chance ask former EAMarcus about me, I've done more than enough to help this franchise. What have you done? Get yourself some Kleenex..

What exactly did the fans deserve? Not sure I follow you there. We deserved bad games? If so why? Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

[noshun]

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What exactly did the fans deserve? Not sure I follow you there. We deserved bad games? If so why? Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Today would sum it up perfectly. Fans were waiting for crumbs from EA Play like Oliver Twist with the bowl begging for info, and what did they get... nada. At least Madden fans had a hashtag trending FixMadden. NBA Live community couldn't even get a FixNBALive trending .
What's worse: Live fans blaming the execs for not giving the devs funding, or their hopes and dreams hinging on NBA Street or March Madness to be revived so it wouldn't have to compete with 2K for sales?

I could break it down further, but you fans got what you deserved.

When Live and 2K were on the shelves:
1. Live fans had no issue buying Live only.
2. 2K fans had no issue buying 2K only.
3. When sales charts/numbers disparities came in Live fans are upset with 2k fans for buying 2k and not also picking up Live as well. Hence:

.. slandering the competition at every chance not allowing a decent alternative to ever pick up momentum and force some competition so 2k has to step up there game.

So it's 2k fans fault that Live didn't sell well for EA?? That's some twisted logic that I've ever read. Why aren't Live fans not buying Live, I thought they clamoured for competition?

Live fans are claiming 2K puts out the same game year after year, but on Live's Reddit page they're begging for the exact same thing? Where's the accountability towards EA?

..Drop an update with new dunk animations, new celebrations, new game modes, new rosters with current ratings, clothes, Live Events. Throw a price tag on it, bam new game.

..Honestly who cares about the graphics EA could just update rosters, get some new face scans, and add some new commentary for gameplay.

..I will buy Live even if it’s the biggest flop ever. Just give me a graphics and roster update and for me it will feel new.

All they have to do it update 19 gameplay, graphics and franchise mode and they are right next to 2k

Same guy calling me a fan boy here is having a digital meltdown:

Very disappointing. They(EA) lied to us so much yet we stuck with them. Nope. My day is ruined

And yes I know I'm harsh, that's because being easy on EA accountability wise has done nothing for Live. Ive done my part to try and make changes.

[King_B_Mack]

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My man noshun in here still fighting the good fight in the Live forums. If y'all don't know this man's creds then go back through the long dark history of this dead *** forum and educate yourselves.

Y'all are in here stuck in the same old NBA Live cycle that's been going on in this forum for a literal decade now. It's rinse and repeat with this franchise. noshun just calls it how it is when it comes to EA and Live.

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: Could Live Finally Be Dead? New Info.

My man noshun in here still fighting the good fight in the Live forums. If y'all don't know this man's creds then go back through the long dark history of this dead *** forum and educate yourselves.

Y'all are in here stuck in the same old NBA Live cycle that's been going on in this forum for a literal decade now. It's rinse and repeat with this franchise. noshun just calls it how it is when it comes to EA and Live.

Cool...but y'all losing me when you say things like "you fans get what you deserve" and "still stuck in the same cycle" when THERE IS NO GAME lol!!! There is no cycle anymore. Live is done!

[Dead2009]

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NBA Live Remains Dormant, But EA is Working On Basketball Games For Next-Generation Consoles

https://www.ign.com/articles/nba-basketball-ea-sports-return