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  • Blue_Monkey
    MVP
    • Oct 2002
    • 1107

    #16
    Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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    UMDDogs said:
    People like you can never be happy with a game. Always have to find something wrong and call it a gamekiller. Whats the difference if they count it a shot or not. Play less minutes.

    I don't think you will be able to find a game that you thoroughly enjoy if small issues like this are game killers for you. Play ESPN if it is a gamekiller I am sure there is nothing wrong with that game or Live for that matter.

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    neovsmatrix said:
    Hahahaha. That's very true. Honestly, I don't see how counting those stats every so often can be a GAME KILLER. Nor do I see how it affects the whole flow of the game. You honestly haven't made any kind of argument as to how it does affect the dynamics of a game. It's a bug, sure, but it's not one that affects the mechanics of the game. There are a bunch of little things that you may want to call attention to if to you, that's a game killer. For instance, the second an opponent reaches in, pokes the ball away, and dives for it while the ball's going out of bounds, it's called a steal, even though the opponent never had possession of the ball in the first place. Now that may actually be a bit of a problem really, especially if the shot clock is reset once that happens. But counting extra free throws and rebounds isn't a big deal unless you're overly concerned with stats. Even so, it wouldn't affect the game FLOW or DYANMICS of the game.

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    UMDDogs, I'll explain. Neo, what a surprise, you were the last person I expected to show up to defend ID guns blazing...

    Anyway, I'm not a never-happy guy. This bug seriously affects the whole gameplay and I'll explain. Statistics are not just something to look at, they are results of the game that's being played or that was played. Please read that emphasized part. The one that is highlighted. The one that's slightly bigger than the rest of the text.

    The following regards both HUMAN and CPU. As I said you have to shoot less to get real FG attempts. This means you get fouled less. This means that you'll get less FT attempts. Both of these things mean you'll get less points. This means that you're players get less points cause their FG % is affected by the bug. It relates to the FG attempted overall. Points are what determines the outcome of a game and cause the bug affects this, it affects the whole gameplay.

    Also, in some games NBA teams shoot more or less and get fouled more or less. This changes the flow of that game. Yes, there are random things in ID as well. Note the previous sentence, please. However, because of the bug nothing changes. If you get fouled more you get more FTs but the FGs attempted stays the same. If you don't get fouled too much nothing changes except the FTs.

    Figure something out for that Neo. You're not a fanboy. You just always come up with something to nullify someone's ID 2004 complaint. Last year you bitched for 8 straight months about a few things with the exact same words in just about any ID thread where it was possible. If you have only the few problems you've posted with the 2004 game so be it. Others do have complaints and those complaints can be valid, accept that.

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    • Blue_Monkey
      MVP
      • Oct 2002
      • 1107

      #17
      Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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      bamalam said:
      maybe since xsn is up and running they will use their time to go back to bugs in the game. this is something that could be fixed quickly relative to other problems. they did a good job fixing off. rebs and fouls from last yr., so i do have hope. i do get lots of shot attempt and rebounds in my games too, and would like to see it fixed next time. i know 03 had the problem. cant remember if 02 did but probaly so. that would make it a 3 yr problem with the game. im surprised that the bug has made it thru QA every year.

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      Thanks for understanding what I was saying.

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      • Blue_Monkey
        MVP
        • Oct 2002
        • 1107

        #18
        Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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        bamalam said:
        maybe since xsn is up and running they will use their time to go back to bugs in the game. this is something that could be fixed quickly relative to other problems. they did a good job fixing off. rebs and fouls from last yr., so i do have hope. i do get lots of shot attempt and rebounds in my games too, and would like to see it fixed next time. i know 03 had the problem. cant remember if 02 did but probaly so. that would make it a 3 yr problem with the game. im surprised that the bug has made it thru QA every year.

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        Thanks for understanding what I was saying.

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        • Blue_Monkey
          MVP
          • Oct 2002
          • 1107

          #19
          Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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          bamalam said:
          maybe since xsn is up and running they will use their time to go back to bugs in the game. this is something that could be fixed quickly relative to other problems. they did a good job fixing off. rebs and fouls from last yr., so i do have hope. i do get lots of shot attempt and rebounds in my games too, and would like to see it fixed next time. i know 03 had the problem. cant remember if 02 did but probaly so. that would make it a 3 yr problem with the game. im surprised that the bug has made it thru QA every year.

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          Thanks for understanding what I was saying.

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          • AdamBa17
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 1112

            #20
            Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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            Blue_Monkey said:
            When there is a shooting foul in reality it's not counted as a FG attempt. Neither is the rebound that follows. But both of those are counted in ID.

            The free throw attempt problem stems from this. I don't shoot over 100 times in a game but they do in the NBA. It's just that only about 80 of them are marked (on average). Other shots were shooting fouls. In the game I have to reduce my shooting which results in a lowered chance of getting to the line. All this concerns the CPU too which is just as big of a problem.

            Take this bug away and all of my problems would go away cause I found edits to get more rebounds to the PG, SG and SF. But because of this I can't stand playing the game cause I can't get it right.

            It's not just the stats, the whole game flow and dynamics are screwed because of this.

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            OR, you could just shoot 100 times a game and then you know that youve shot as many times as the NBA.

            Theres no stat man coming around your house looking at how many attempts youve made per game!
            This is what i do, i have it on 9 mins, speed at default.
            It comes up that i shoot about 90-100 shots a game. About 20 of them are free throws (which show up), but i know this is a realistic amount, coz all ive gota do is take away the ft attempts number from how many shots it says i took, and thats the number that would appear on an NBA box score.

            I havent, and you havent, got to show my stats to anyone, so isnt knowing that you're shooting the right amount enough for you?

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            • AdamBa17
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 1112

              #21
              Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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              Blue_Monkey said:
              When there is a shooting foul in reality it's not counted as a FG attempt. Neither is the rebound that follows. But both of those are counted in ID.

              The free throw attempt problem stems from this. I don't shoot over 100 times in a game but they do in the NBA. It's just that only about 80 of them are marked (on average). Other shots were shooting fouls. In the game I have to reduce my shooting which results in a lowered chance of getting to the line. All this concerns the CPU too which is just as big of a problem.

              Take this bug away and all of my problems would go away cause I found edits to get more rebounds to the PG, SG and SF. But because of this I can't stand playing the game cause I can't get it right.

              It's not just the stats, the whole game flow and dynamics are screwed because of this.

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              OR, you could just shoot 100 times a game and then you know that youve shot as many times as the NBA.

              Theres no stat man coming around your house looking at how many attempts youve made per game!
              This is what i do, i have it on 9 mins, speed at default.
              It comes up that i shoot about 90-100 shots a game. About 20 of them are free throws (which show up), but i know this is a realistic amount, coz all ive gota do is take away the ft attempts number from how many shots it says i took, and thats the number that would appear on an NBA box score.

              I havent, and you havent, got to show my stats to anyone, so isnt knowing that you're shooting the right amount enough for you?

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              • AdamBa17
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 1112

                #22
                Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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                Blue_Monkey said:
                When there is a shooting foul in reality it's not counted as a FG attempt. Neither is the rebound that follows. But both of those are counted in ID.

                The free throw attempt problem stems from this. I don't shoot over 100 times in a game but they do in the NBA. It's just that only about 80 of them are marked (on average). Other shots were shooting fouls. In the game I have to reduce my shooting which results in a lowered chance of getting to the line. All this concerns the CPU too which is just as big of a problem.

                Take this bug away and all of my problems would go away cause I found edits to get more rebounds to the PG, SG and SF. But because of this I can't stand playing the game cause I can't get it right.

                It's not just the stats, the whole game flow and dynamics are screwed because of this.

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                OR, you could just shoot 100 times a game and then you know that youve shot as many times as the NBA.

                Theres no stat man coming around your house looking at how many attempts youve made per game!
                This is what i do, i have it on 9 mins, speed at default.
                It comes up that i shoot about 90-100 shots a game. About 20 of them are free throws (which show up), but i know this is a realistic amount, coz all ive gota do is take away the ft attempts number from how many shots it says i took, and thats the number that would appear on an NBA box score.

                I havent, and you havent, got to show my stats to anyone, so isnt knowing that you're shooting the right amount enough for you?

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                • UMDDogs
                  Pro
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 981

                  #23
                  Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

                  I understand why you don't like the bug, but it is only a videogame, seriously, this game is great fun an with how realistic each team plays, it just makes for a great experience. I just don't understand how a couple stat bugs can make it so you cannot play this game anymore.

                  I as much as anyone would love a complete realistic game, but it probably won't happen for quite a while. I am amazed at how far they have come in the past few years. Personally I don't even notice these stat bugs until you said something.

                  Anyways, not to argue with you, I understand how you would like it to be more realistic, but just play and enjoy.

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                  • UMDDogs
                    Pro
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 981

                    #24
                    Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

                    I understand why you don't like the bug, but it is only a videogame, seriously, this game is great fun an with how realistic each team plays, it just makes for a great experience. I just don't understand how a couple stat bugs can make it so you cannot play this game anymore.

                    I as much as anyone would love a complete realistic game, but it probably won't happen for quite a while. I am amazed at how far they have come in the past few years. Personally I don't even notice these stat bugs until you said something.

                    Anyways, not to argue with you, I understand how you would like it to be more realistic, but just play and enjoy.

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                    • UMDDogs
                      Pro
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 981

                      #25
                      Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

                      I understand why you don't like the bug, but it is only a videogame, seriously, this game is great fun an with how realistic each team plays, it just makes for a great experience. I just don't understand how a couple stat bugs can make it so you cannot play this game anymore.

                      I as much as anyone would love a complete realistic game, but it probably won't happen for quite a while. I am amazed at how far they have come in the past few years. Personally I don't even notice these stat bugs until you said something.

                      Anyways, not to argue with you, I understand how you would like it to be more realistic, but just play and enjoy.

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                      • Blue_Monkey
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 1107

                        #26
                        Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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                        AdamBa17 said:
                        OR, you could just shoot 100 times a game and then you know that youve shot as many times as the NBA.

                        Theres no stat man coming around your house looking at how many attempts youve made per game!
                        This is what i do, i have it on 9 mins, speed at default.
                        It comes up that i shoot about 90-100 shots a game. About 20 of them are free throws (which show up), but i know this is a realistic amount, coz all ive gota do is take away the ft attempts number from how many shots it says i took, and thats the number that would appear on an NBA box score.

                        I havent, and you havent, got to show my stats to anyone, so isnt knowing that you're shooting the right amount enough for you?

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                        You know what, that sounds pretty good. I'll try how that feels. I'll just have to get used to watching shown stats so inflated. Not sure if I can but I'll try.

                        UMD, thanks for being more rational now. I didn't bash you or anyone else or even the game. I posted criticism. Neo has a little trouble seeing this. You sounded needlessly hostile too, Adam...

                        This is however a very small bug to fix. And after all, it is nice to look at realistic stats in the box score so this should be away in ID 2005.

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                        • Blue_Monkey
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 1107

                          #27
                          Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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                          AdamBa17 said:
                          OR, you could just shoot 100 times a game and then you know that youve shot as many times as the NBA.

                          Theres no stat man coming around your house looking at how many attempts youve made per game!
                          This is what i do, i have it on 9 mins, speed at default.
                          It comes up that i shoot about 90-100 shots a game. About 20 of them are free throws (which show up), but i know this is a realistic amount, coz all ive gota do is take away the ft attempts number from how many shots it says i took, and thats the number that would appear on an NBA box score.

                          I havent, and you havent, got to show my stats to anyone, so isnt knowing that you're shooting the right amount enough for you?

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                          You know what, that sounds pretty good. I'll try how that feels. I'll just have to get used to watching shown stats so inflated. Not sure if I can but I'll try.

                          UMD, thanks for being more rational now. I didn't bash you or anyone else or even the game. I posted criticism. Neo has a little trouble seeing this. You sounded needlessly hostile too, Adam...

                          This is however a very small bug to fix. And after all, it is nice to look at realistic stats in the box score so this should be away in ID 2005.

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                          • Blue_Monkey
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 1107

                            #28
                            Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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                            AdamBa17 said:
                            OR, you could just shoot 100 times a game and then you know that youve shot as many times as the NBA.

                            Theres no stat man coming around your house looking at how many attempts youve made per game!
                            This is what i do, i have it on 9 mins, speed at default.
                            It comes up that i shoot about 90-100 shots a game. About 20 of them are free throws (which show up), but i know this is a realistic amount, coz all ive gota do is take away the ft attempts number from how many shots it says i took, and thats the number that would appear on an NBA box score.

                            I havent, and you havent, got to show my stats to anyone, so isnt knowing that you're shooting the right amount enough for you?

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                            You know what, that sounds pretty good. I'll try how that feels. I'll just have to get used to watching shown stats so inflated. Not sure if I can but I'll try.

                            UMD, thanks for being more rational now. I didn't bash you or anyone else or even the game. I posted criticism. Neo has a little trouble seeing this. You sounded needlessly hostile too, Adam...

                            This is however a very small bug to fix. And after all, it is nice to look at realistic stats in the box score so this should be away in ID 2005.

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                            • AdamBa17
                              Banned
                              • May 2003
                              • 1112

                              #29
                              Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

                              sorry, i realise that sounded like i was tryin to argue.
                              i actually just meant it to come off as help, guess you cant really tell the tone of what someone is saying over text.

                              i understand your problem, i had/have the same problem. i just thought that the way i dealt with it might work for you a well. my bad.

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                              • AdamBa17
                                Banned
                                • May 2003
                                • 1112

                                #30
                                Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

                                sorry, i realise that sounded like i was tryin to argue.
                                i actually just meant it to come off as help, guess you cant really tell the tone of what someone is saying over text.

                                i understand your problem, i had/have the same problem. i just thought that the way i dealt with it might work for you a well. my bad.

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