Can't believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

[Blue_Monkey]

When there is a shooting foul in reality it's not counted as a FG attempt. Neither is the rebound that follows. But both of those are counted in ID.

The free throw attempt problem stems from this. I don't shoot over 100 times in a game but they do in the NBA. It's just that only about 80 of them are marked (on average). Other shots were shooting fouls. In the game I have to reduce my shooting which results in a lowered chance of getting to the line. All this concerns the CPU too which is just as big of a problem.

Take this bug away and all of my problems would go away cause I found edits to get more rebounds to the PG, SG and SF. But because of this I can't stand playing the game cause I can't get it right.

It's not just the stats, the whole game flow and dynamics are screwed because of this.

[UMDDogs]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

People like you can never be happy with a game. Always have to find something wrong and call it a gamekiller. Whats the difference if they count it a shot or not. Play less minutes.

I don't think you will be able to find a game that you thoroughly enjoy if small issues like this are game killers for you. Play ESPN if it is a gamekiller I am sure there is nothing wrong with that game or Live for that matter.

[UMDDogs]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

People like you can never be happy with a game. Always have to find something wrong and call it a gamekiller. Whats the difference if they count it a shot or not. Play less minutes.

I don't think you will be able to find a game that you thoroughly enjoy if small issues like this are game killers for you. Play ESPN if it is a gamekiller I am sure there is nothing wrong with that game or Live for that matter.

[UMDDogs]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

People like you can never be happy with a game. Always have to find something wrong and call it a gamekiller. Whats the difference if they count it a shot or not. Play less minutes.

I don't think you will be able to find a game that you thoroughly enjoy if small issues like this are game killers for you. Play ESPN if it is a gamekiller I am sure there is nothing wrong with that game or Live for that matter.

[neovsmatrix]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

Hahahaha. That's very true. Honestly, I don't see how counting those stats every so often can be a GAME KILLER. Nor do I see how it affects the whole flow of the game. You honestly haven't made any kind of argument as to how it does affect the dynamics of a game. It's a bug, sure, but it's not one that affects the mechanics of the game. There are a bunch of little things that you may want to call attention to if to you, that's a game killer. For instance, the second an opponent reaches in, pokes the ball away, and dives for it while the ball's going out of bounds, it's called a steal, even though the opponent never had possession of the ball in the first place. Now that may actually be a bit of a problem really, especially if the shot clock is reset once that happens. But counting extra free throws and rebounds isn't a big deal unless you're overly concerned with stats. Even so, it wouldn't affect the game FLOW or DYANMICS of the game.

[neovsmatrix]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

Hahahaha. That's very true. Honestly, I don't see how counting those stats every so often can be a GAME KILLER. Nor do I see how it affects the whole flow of the game. You honestly haven't made any kind of argument as to how it does affect the dynamics of a game. It's a bug, sure, but it's not one that affects the mechanics of the game. There are a bunch of little things that you may want to call attention to if to you, that's a game killer. For instance, the second an opponent reaches in, pokes the ball away, and dives for it while the ball's going out of bounds, it's called a steal, even though the opponent never had possession of the ball in the first place. Now that may actually be a bit of a problem really, especially if the shot clock is reset once that happens. But counting extra free throws and rebounds isn't a big deal unless you're overly concerned with stats. Even so, it wouldn't affect the game FLOW or DYANMICS of the game.

[neovsmatrix]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

Hahahaha. That's very true. Honestly, I don't see how counting those stats every so often can be a GAME KILLER. Nor do I see how it affects the whole flow of the game. You honestly haven't made any kind of argument as to how it does affect the dynamics of a game. It's a bug, sure, but it's not one that affects the mechanics of the game. There are a bunch of little things that you may want to call attention to if to you, that's a game killer. For instance, the second an opponent reaches in, pokes the ball away, and dives for it while the ball's going out of bounds, it's called a steal, even though the opponent never had possession of the ball in the first place. Now that may actually be a bit of a problem really, especially if the shot clock is reset once that happens. But counting extra free throws and rebounds isn't a big deal unless you're overly concerned with stats. Even so, it wouldn't affect the game FLOW or DYANMICS of the game.

[bamalam]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

maybe since xsn is up and running they will use their time to go back to bugs in the game. this is something that could be fixed quickly relative to other problems. they did a good job fixing off. rebs and fouls from last yr., so i do have hope. i do get lots of shot attempt and rebounds in my games too, and would like to see it fixed next time. i know 03 had the problem. cant remember if 02 did but probaly so. that would make it a 3 yr problem with the game. im surprised that the bug has made it thru QA every year.

[bamalam]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

maybe since xsn is up and running they will use their time to go back to bugs in the game. this is something that could be fixed quickly relative to other problems. they did a good job fixing off. rebs and fouls from last yr., so i do have hope. i do get lots of shot attempt and rebounds in my games too, and would like to see it fixed next time. i know 03 had the problem. cant remember if 02 did but probaly so. that would make it a 3 yr problem with the game. im surprised that the bug has made it thru QA every year.

[bamalam]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

maybe since xsn is up and running they will use their time to go back to bugs in the game. this is something that could be fixed quickly relative to other problems. they did a good job fixing off. rebs and fouls from last yr., so i do have hope. i do get lots of shot attempt and rebounds in my games too, and would like to see it fixed next time. i know 03 had the problem. cant remember if 02 did but probaly so. that would make it a 3 yr problem with the game. im surprised that the bug has made it thru QA every year.

[101]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

High Voltage, VC, and EA should all make a seperate text based game to accoumodate all the guys who seem more concerned with the statistics than actually playing the game.

[101]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

High Voltage, VC, and EA should all make a seperate text based game to accoumodate all the guys who seem more concerned with the statistics than actually playing the game.

[101]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

High Voltage, VC, and EA should all make a seperate text based game to accoumodate all the guys who seem more concerned with the statistics than actually playing the game.

[Blue_Monkey]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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UMDDogs said:
People like you can never be happy with a game. Always have to find something wrong and call it a gamekiller. Whats the difference if they count it a shot or not. Play less minutes.

I don't think you will be able to find a game that you thoroughly enjoy if small issues like this are game killers for you. Play ESPN if it is a gamekiller I am sure there is nothing wrong with that game or Live for that matter.

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neovsmatrix said:
Hahahaha. That's very true. Honestly, I don't see how counting those stats every so often can be a GAME KILLER. Nor do I see how it affects the whole flow of the game. You honestly haven't made any kind of argument as to how it does affect the dynamics of a game. It's a bug, sure, but it's not one that affects the mechanics of the game. There are a bunch of little things that you may want to call attention to if to you, that's a game killer. For instance, the second an opponent reaches in, pokes the ball away, and dives for it while the ball's going out of bounds, it's called a steal, even though the opponent never had possession of the ball in the first place. Now that may actually be a bit of a problem really, especially if the shot clock is reset once that happens. But counting extra free throws and rebounds isn't a big deal unless you're overly concerned with stats. Even so, it wouldn't affect the game FLOW or DYANMICS of the game.

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UMDDogs, I'll explain. Neo, what a surprise, you were the last person I expected to show up to defend ID guns blazing...

Anyway, I'm not a never-happy guy. This bug seriously affects the whole gameplay and I'll explain. Statistics are not just something to look at, they are results of the game that's being played or that was played. Please read that emphasized part. The one that is highlighted. The one that's slightly bigger than the rest of the text.

The following regards both HUMAN and CPU. As I said you have to shoot less to get real FG attempts. This means you get fouled less. This means that you'll get less FT attempts. Both of these things mean you'll get less points. This means that you're players get less points cause their FG % is affected by the bug. It relates to the FG attempted overall. Points are what determines the outcome of a game and cause the bug affects this, it affects the whole gameplay.

Also, in some games NBA teams shoot more or less and get fouled more or less. This changes the flow of that game. Yes, there are random things in ID as well. Note the previous sentence, please. However, because of the bug nothing changes. If you get fouled more you get more FTs but the FGs attempted stays the same. If you don't get fouled too much nothing changes except the FTs.

Figure something out for that Neo. You're not a fanboy. You just always come up with something to nullify someone's ID 2004 complaint. Last year you bitched for 8 straight months about a few things with the exact same words in just about any ID thread where it was possible. If you have only the few problems you've posted with the 2004 game so be it. Others do have complaints and those complaints can be valid, accept that.

[Blue_Monkey]

Re: Can\'t believe it but the FG att. and rebound stat bug is a gamekiller

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UMDDogs said:
People like you can never be happy with a game. Always have to find something wrong and call it a gamekiller. Whats the difference if they count it a shot or not. Play less minutes.

I don't think you will be able to find a game that you thoroughly enjoy if small issues like this are game killers for you. Play ESPN if it is a gamekiller I am sure there is nothing wrong with that game or Live for that matter.

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neovsmatrix said:
Hahahaha. That's very true. Honestly, I don't see how counting those stats every so often can be a GAME KILLER. Nor do I see how it affects the whole flow of the game. You honestly haven't made any kind of argument as to how it does affect the dynamics of a game. It's a bug, sure, but it's not one that affects the mechanics of the game. There are a bunch of little things that you may want to call attention to if to you, that's a game killer. For instance, the second an opponent reaches in, pokes the ball away, and dives for it while the ball's going out of bounds, it's called a steal, even though the opponent never had possession of the ball in the first place. Now that may actually be a bit of a problem really, especially if the shot clock is reset once that happens. But counting extra free throws and rebounds isn't a big deal unless you're overly concerned with stats. Even so, it wouldn't affect the game FLOW or DYANMICS of the game.

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UMDDogs, I'll explain. Neo, what a surprise, you were the last person I expected to show up to defend ID guns blazing...

Anyway, I'm not a never-happy guy. This bug seriously affects the whole gameplay and I'll explain. Statistics are not just something to look at, they are results of the game that's being played or that was played. Please read that emphasized part. The one that is highlighted. The one that's slightly bigger than the rest of the text.

The following regards both HUMAN and CPU. As I said you have to shoot less to get real FG attempts. This means you get fouled less. This means that you'll get less FT attempts. Both of these things mean you'll get less points. This means that you're players get less points cause their FG % is affected by the bug. It relates to the FG attempted overall. Points are what determines the outcome of a game and cause the bug affects this, it affects the whole gameplay.

Also, in some games NBA teams shoot more or less and get fouled more or less. This changes the flow of that game. Yes, there are random things in ID as well. Note the previous sentence, please. However, because of the bug nothing changes. If you get fouled more you get more FTs but the FGs attempted stays the same. If you don't get fouled too much nothing changes except the FTs.

Figure something out for that Neo. You're not a fanboy. You just always come up with something to nullify someone's ID 2004 complaint. Last year you bitched for 8 straight months about a few things with the exact same words in just about any ID thread where it was possible. If you have only the few problems you've posted with the 2004 game so be it. Others do have complaints and those complaints can be valid, accept that.