College Hoops 2k12?

[NoDakHusker]

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I'm not buying the lack of interest nonsense. You're telling me the biggest sporting event (March Madness) is not marketable in the video game community. It is known EA pulled out because of low sales. That does not necessarily mean there is a lack of a market. That just means that EA made a piss poor product outside of the commentary and presentation. Every other aspect of the game was awful, including graphics. The demand is there, just not for a poor quality product. It's like many college programs deal with in attendance issues. If teams win attendance goes up and if they lose attendance drops. The demand doesn't change, the quality of the product just more directly influences the end result.

I don't see it as nonsense and if you looked at 2k's sales on college hoops it was not impressive. All Pro Football 2k8 played a great game of football, but did it sell well? No. Your analogy of attendance doesn't really apply here.

Yet Madden is notoriously bad and glitchy, and people still buy it. There is still higher DEMAND for that game, even if it is of low quality. They want to play something representative of the NFL.
If what you say holds true here, that quality influences the end result, then you tell me why 2k still isn't making college basketball games. Because if those sales had been higher(reflective of quality, based on your argument) the negotiations 2k had with the CLC likely would have been successful.

[dickey1331]

I'm not buying the lack of interest nonsense. You're telling me the biggest sporting event (March Madness) is not marketable in the video game community. It is known EA pulled out because of low sales. That does not necessarily mean there is a lack of a market. That just means that EA made a piss poor product outside of the commentary and presentation. Every other aspect of the game was awful, including graphics. The demand is there, just not for a poor quality product. It's like many college programs deal with in attendance issues. If teams win attendance goes up and if they lose attendance drops. The demand doesn't change, the quality of the product just more directly influences the end result.

If you were right then 2K would still be making the game. There just isn't a big enough market for college basketball. Which is why no one is making one.


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[tbach]

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To think that there won't be another college basketball game again is bit absurd. I'm not saying it'll be 2k12, 2k13, or even made by 2k, but eventually it will happen. It is most likely true that there isn't a market for it now, but there obviously was for quite a while being as how many college basketball games have been made. There will be another college basketball video game sometime when there seems to be more demand and it becomes more feasible. Its not a question of if there will be one, but when IMO. As posted earlier, college basketball especially march maddness is a wildly popular event and someone will most definitely want to cash in on it with a game.

[Bigsheen]

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this is where the problem begins, imo. because they will have to start over if and when they make another college hoops game. with 2k they will be able to do it with nba 2k11 selling well and everyone loving it from what i read, ive never played it, but if ea or anyone else picks it up it wouldnt be a good game because they would be "rebuilding" everything.

[Shinyhubcaps]

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Just looked up the sales of the College Hoops 2K and EA NCAA games on the next-gen consoles, and they are quite poor. Still, I imagine there is a market for it just on college campuses alone. The conversion would definitely cost a bit initially, but it may be worth it to implement the most up-to-date 2K basketball engines into college games, especially without competition.

What really sucks though, and Madden proves this, is that poor games can sell well and continue to be made with a lack of innovation. Even NBA 2K10 didn't hit a million sales on any single console, which surprises me a bit, and 2K11 isn't even near that.

Now I wonder how much a conversion of NBA 2K11 to College Hoops would really cost, but it's probably too much to justify for a company having 2K's licensing problems.

[pabryant]

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I really believe the problem stems from the NCAA. I simply believe they are greedy. I've been playing College B-Ball games since the early/mid 90's. The problem falls in the SUCCESS of the video game industry. As people have continued to pump more money into the industry, companies like the NCAA, expect to be more heavily compensated.

When games like Halo and Black Ops generate the huge amounts of capital they do when released, it becomes harder to profit from smaller interest games like college basketball. Simply because the greed of the licensing companies; expecting a greater increase in compensation than the actual increase, over the years, in interest.

[OpTiOnMaStA]

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I would be willing to bet that if 2K did a market analysis they would find that there is enough of a demand for a college basketball game to make a profit. I am also sure that they are looking into these options every year at regular intervals.

The timing seems perfect to release a game because EA will not be making one and thus there won't be competition. This may be too optimistic, though, because there are other ways people can spend their dollars and so competition cannot be so narrowly defined.

EA can look at themselves for why their attempts at college hoops games has failed to meet their expectations. NCAA 10 wasn't awful but it needed to be better and EA has to go the extra mile with their basketball titles in order to prove to the masses that they aren't slinging crap. I would have liked to see NCAA 11 as one last effort from them because I liked the motion offense and presentation they added in NCAA 10. Unfortunately, this didn't happen.

This all may be wishful thinking. I just can't wait for another solid college hoops game.

[MarvellousOne]

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I really would love to see another College Hoops game being made, I think they way 2k has been rolling the last 2 years in sales with there NBA 2K franchise, they could bring in a successful college basketball game.

I don't see it as nonsense and if you looked at 2k's sales on college hoops it was not impressive. All Pro Football 2k8 played a great game of football, but did it sell well? No. Your analogy of attendance doesn't really apply here.

Yet Madden is notoriously bad and glitchy, and people still buy it. There is still higher DEMAND for that game, even if it is of low quality. They want to play something representative of the NFL.
If what you say holds true here, that quality influences the end result, then you tell me why 2k still isn't making college basketball games. Because if those sales had been higher(reflective of quality, based on your argument) the negotiations 2k had with the CLC likely would have been successful.

There is a huge difference with All-Pro Football not having the sells it should have, and that is because there was no NFL License so naturally sells would not be high because people pay for official games, hence why backbreaker didn't sell well either, and that Blitz the League game (apart from it being a bad game).

[brahmagoul]

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A big reason why we haven't -- and might not -- see a college hoops game is because of the lawsuit involving using athletes likeness. If it weren't for that, I have a hunch we would have already heard an announcement about a college hoops game this year or last year.

Think about it, there's only one college sports game right now: NCAA Football, which sells. Probably not a coincidence.

[Bajney]

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They desperately need to make this game. Just playing NBA 2k11 this year has me ready for Choops 2k12. I need to be able to use my boys next year too. Gilchrist, Teague, Davis, Wiltjer, Knight, Lamb

[baccVols]

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A big reason why we haven't -- and might not -- see a college hoops game is because of the lawsuit involving using athletes likeness. If it weren't for that, I have a hunch we would have already heard an announcement about a college hoops game this year or last year.

Think about it, there's only one college sports game right now: NCAA Football, which sells. Probably not a coincidence.

yes but a generic roster at this point would be just fine as long as all the teams were there.....and ability to edit

[rspencer86]

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I can't believe 2K makes a tennis game, but not a college basketball game.

College basketball has a much broader appeal and media exposure than tennis. I guess the cost of licensing a few individual tennis players and some of the courts is much less than the NCAA license, allowing a tennis game to be more profitable than a College Hoops game?

I like tennis, but come on now. Let's get college basketball back in the gaming world.

[Da_Czar]

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I can't believe 2K makes a tennis game, but not a college basketball game.

College basketball has a much broader appeal and media exposure than tennis. I guess the cost of licensing a few individual tennis players and some of the courts is much less than the NCAA license, allowing a tennis game to be more profitable than a College Hoops game?

I like tennis, but come on now. Let's get college basketball back in the gaming world.

I believe it to be a combination of the cost of the license and the lack or purchasers. I have tried to sell the rebirth of college hoops but the response is always that it doesn't make money.

Maybe the margins are close enough to were if the license fee goes down enough they could break even but it all comes down to profit.

[CM1847]

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I believe it to be a combination of the cost of the license and the lack or purchasers. I have tried to sell the rebirth of college hoops but the response is always that it doesn't make money.

Maybe the margins are close enough to were if the license fee goes down enough they could break even but it all comes down to profit.

There were two companies making a college hoops game for long enough that I find it hard to believe that a single game can't turn a profit. Unless the licensing fees have gotten that far out of control which is certainly a possibility. Not saying you are wrong, I'm sure you have more information on this than I do, I just find it hard to believe that both EA and 2K were taking huge losses every year on their games and it took them so long to cancel the series. It sounds like more of an excuse than anything else.

[bballshawn24]

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i think that they would sell copies at $40.00 or $30.00