Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

[manustyle90]

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Strange thing that happened: Wyoming (with 2014-2015 real rosters) going straight to the championship game (after taking down even kentucky in the sweet 16): they got stopped by Gonzaga who won it all.

The thing is that i've actually watched all their games in the tourney (I said hey, I like the cowboys this year let's see how far they can get), and it really looked like a true cinderella story, it was amazing how even role players got fired up and made important runs.

Strange and epic videogame moment

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It's pretty interesting which teams have long term success or struggles as the dynasty progresses. I'm 15 years into my dynasty right now and traditional powers like Kansas, Kentucky, and the entire Big 10 are really struggling. Anyone else see this? I'm wondering if it's related to geography and recruiting somehow, because I see teams like USC and San Diego having a ton of success.

Oregon put together an awesome team about 10 years in that won back to back titles. They were an offensive juggernaut. I played them in the title game the 2nd year and they were unstoppable. I got run off the floor despite putting up a decent offensive showing myself.

Rhode Island is also really good in my dynasty. They are pretty consistently a top 4 seed in the tourney, and have 3 final four appearances plus a NC.

[Flash3]

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Had a legacy where St Joseph's and Pepperdine were yearly contenders


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[sportsfreak96]

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In my current legacy I've been with 7 teams(I can only remember 6 atm)

Austin Peay(took them to 3 title games and won 2)

San Diego State(Made the Elite 8 1 year and Final 4 the other)

Duke(Coach K retired, and I took them to 3 straight titles)

Saint Louis(by this point they were a powerhouse and I took them to 2 straight titles and lost in the NCG the 3rd year in OT)

UW-Green Bay(Decided to coach my hometown school and took them to the NCG as a 10 seed, then got beat in the Sweet Sixteen the next.)

Right now I'm in my second year with Georgia. Year 1 we had an unthinkable run in SEC play and went Undefeated in Conference play(including the tournament) we got into the tournament as a 1 seed(for the first time in my career) year 2 we are 25-0 so far and cruising into a game against a stacked South Carolina team.


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[Brock]

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It's pretty interesting which teams have long term success or struggles as the dynasty progresses. I'm 15 years into my dynasty right now and traditional powers like Kansas, Kentucky, and the entire Big 10 are really struggling. Anyone else see this? I'm wondering if it's related to geography and recruiting somehow, because I see teams like USC and San Diego having a ton of success.

Oregon put together an awesome team about 10 years in that won back to back titles. They were an offensive juggernaut. I played them in the title game the 2nd year and they were unstoppable. I got run off the floor despite putting up a decent offensive showing myself.

Rhode Island is also really good in my dynasty. They are pretty consistently a top 4 seed in the tourney, and have 3 final four appearances plus a NC.

Yeah. Actually Kentucky was never good after the original roster left (09-10) and only made the tournament once after that in '14 due to a juco player that was good and led their team. So once they finally opened up I took over.

Kansas has been down until like a decade. They got a good recruiting coach who recruited two AA's, one who in is junior year also with new sliders took them to the elite eight, and currently a sophomore who is avg 20 pts currently has them leading the big 12. Unfortunately they will probably be bad once he leaves after this year.

The Big10 recently went on a decline in my game. For the past few years recruiting in their conference has been awful, I believe this year will be the first they get a drafted player in like 5 years, also Michigan finally got another AA recruit playing for them, and I think may be getting another soon. Ohio St. is finally playing well due to their Jr SG avg 19 pts. They'll looking solid with Illinois and Penn St (who usually is pretty solid).

[OSUPiper]

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In 2k8, Kansas and Kentucky seem to cave in. In my legacy, I am working on a strategy to remedy that issue. The catch is that I do not want to extinguish any natural ebb and flow that every university experiences. For instance, put yourself in the early 1970s and you would not anticipate UCLA not being dominant.


Truth is, Kentucky and KU and UCLA and UNC and Indiana have all been down. After Coach K is gone, Duke will probably be down, too. But I cannot stand when KU and Kentucky are not making the tourney in my legacy, and I do not like the A10 having 4 teams consistently floating around the Top 10, although I like it when it happens once in a while.


A viable solution would be to track coaching strengths, but I do not know a way to do that in legacy since those attributes seem to be hidden after legacy starts.


Another possibility is to artificially inflate a new coach's success. For example, if Kentucky is down and they fire a coach, then the new coach gets a huge bump in talent via editing that roster. I believe that would trend Kentucky back up.


I use hoopcast to sim any Power 5 team vs. any truly bad team. I found that it is nearly impossible to sim 5 such games without an upset. In other words, 15-20% of these games end up being unthinkable upsets, which is absurd. My solution creates a tournament bracket and polls with fairly reasonable win totals. A side effect is more sustainable Power 5 programs.

[grismosw]

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Really the coaches are not rated all that well which makes Kansas become irrelevant. If an A-10 school gets a great coach he stays put. A great game still but there are a few worts. I still dream of them brining back this game with all the improvements that have been made in the last 8 years...makes me wanna cry.




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[l3ulvl]

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In 2k8, Kansas and Kentucky seem to cave in. In my legacy, I am working on a strategy to remedy that issue. The catch is that I do not want to extinguish any natural ebb and flow that every university experiences. For instance, put yourself in the early 1970s and you would not anticipate UCLA not being dominant.


Truth is, Kentucky and KU and UCLA and UNC and Indiana have all been down. After Coach K is gone, Duke will probably be down, too. But I cannot stand when KU and Kentucky are not making the tourney in my legacy, and I do not like the A10 having 4 teams consistently floating around the Top 10, although I like it when it happens once in a while.


A viable solution would be to track coaching strengths, but I do not know a way to do that in legacy since those attributes seem to be hidden after legacy starts.


Another possibility is to artificially inflate a new coach's success. For example, if Kentucky is down and they fire a coach, then the new coach gets a huge bump in talent via editing that roster. I believe that would trend Kentucky back up.


I use hoopcast to sim any Power 5 team vs. any truly bad team. I found that it is nearly impossible to sim 5 such games without an upset. In other words, 15-20% of these games end up being unthinkable upsets, which is absurd. My solution creates a tournament bracket and polls with fairly reasonable win totals. A side effect is more sustainable Power 5 programs.

Yep same here, I don't mind a fluke hoopcast upset here and there, but they tend to be pretty consistent and it can be annoying, especially when your bench is light years better than their starters

[redsrule]

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It's pretty interesting which teams have long term success or struggles as the dynasty progresses. I'm 15 years into my dynasty right now and traditional powers like Kansas, Kentucky, and the entire Big 10 are really struggling. Anyone else see this? I'm wondering if it's related to geography and recruiting somehow, because I see teams like USC and San Diego having a ton of success.

Oregon put together an awesome team about 10 years in that won back to back titles. They were an offensive juggernaut. I played them in the title game the 2nd year and they were unstoppable. I got run off the floor despite putting up a decent offensive showing myself.

Rhode Island is also really good in my dynasty. They are pretty consistently a top 4 seed in the tourney, and have 3 final four appearances plus a NC.

Has a lot to do with how recruiting is coded. Remember this was right before one and done got big.

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[Chuck]

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Here are all the champions from my legacy, I put an asterisk next to user controlled teams. USC is prob the weakest program that won a championship other than teams I controlled.

2007 - 2008 - Kansas
2008 - 2009 - UNC
2009 - 2010 - USC
2010 - 2011 - Florida
2011 - 2012 - Louisville
2012 - 2013 - Villanova
2013 - 2014 - Texas
2014 - 2015 - Duke
2015 - 2016 - Miami (OH)*
2016 - 2017 - Pittsburgh
2017 - 2018 - Miami (OH)*
2018 - 2019 - Miami (OH)*
2019 - 2020 - Duke
2020 - 2021 - UCONN
2021 - 2022 - Duke
2022 - 2023 - Maryland
2023 - 2024 - Rutgers*
2024 - 2025 - North Carolina
2025 - 2026 - Duke
2026 - 2027 - Arizona
2027 - 2028 - Iowa State
2028 - 2029 - Iowa State
2029 - 2030 - Miami (FL)

[Brock]

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I don't know how much you guys care about following coaches in-game, but it's something I've been doing for a while to keep the game fresh. One thing I've been doing lately is looking at assistant coaches ages and ambition; if they are 55+ and have never been a hc and are "Driven" I drop them down to 40, likewise if they are "extremely ambitious" I use random.org and randomize numbers between 25-40 to get their age.

Reason why I do this is because, if you do notice, there's ALOT of coaches in their 60's+ that become first time coaches and it's not realistic. Also, when you do have that "hot shot" coach they're in their late 50's-60's and when they reach a big program they're going to have a short career at said school. This way if there is a "hot shot" coach there's a good chance of them being like a Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart.

There's one coach I'll use as an example; my first time following coaches I followed one who was in his early 30's at the time, he came from a UC school and went to Marshall. He was there for 10 years, recruited very well (had two 4* players on his roster at the time), his final year he went 25-9 and beat a down Duke team in the first round of the tournament. His next job was at Michigan, he was only 40-41 I believe. He's been there for 16 years and is only 57, has recruited AA's a few times, lead the Big 10 numerous times (even tho the conference has been weak lately), and has even led them to the final four once.

I know not all coaches are going to be like that, but it's great to see it happen.

Also, at the end of the season there's a "Free-agency" pool for assistant coaches, I do the same for those as well.

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I think overall, the game does a decent job with it's sim results. It does bum me out a bit though when I see Kansas, Kentucky and all the Big 10 schools never crack the top 25 or make a real run in the tournament. The weird thing is that in my legacy all those schools have highly rated coaches who aren't bringing in the talent to compete. They also hardly ever get fired, despite a long run of mediocrity.

Has anyone come up with a strategy to keep those programs relevant without destroying the integrity of the game too much? What about creating good in-state recruits for those schools to go after?

I turned off the option for players to leave early for the draft, not sure if that's having an effect or not.

On the plus side, I just graduated all 5 starters from my team that won back-to-back National Titles and went undefeated the 2nd year. I just played my first game of the new season after losing those guys and my young 90 OVR team had some serious trouble with a veteran 72 OVR Northern Arizona squad. I needed a late run to pull away after breezing past top 10 teams just last year. This is the only sports game I've ever played that captures this kind of ebb and flow from year to year.

[Brock]

Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

I think overall, the game does a decent job with it's sim results. It does bum me out a bit though when I see Kansas, Kentucky and all the Big 10 schools never crack the top 25 or make a real run in the tournament. The weird thing is that in my legacy all those schools have highly rated coaches who aren't bringing in the talent to compete. They also hardly ever get fired, despite a long run of mediocrity.

Has anyone come up with a strategy to keep those programs relevant without destroying the integrity of the game too much? What about creating good in-state recruits for those schools to go after?

I turned off the option for players to leave early for the draft, not sure if that's having an effect or not.

On the plus side, I just graduated all 5 starters from my team that won back-to-back National Titles and went undefeated the 2nd year. I just played my first game of the new season after losing those guys and my young 90 OVR team had some serious trouble with a veteran 72 OVR Northern Arizona squad. I needed a late run to pull away after breezing past top 10 teams just last year. This is the only sports game I've ever played that captures this kind of ebb and flow from year to year.

That's one of my biggest peeves about this game. I wish we at least had a way to edit job security of coaches we feel aren't doing as good as they should be.

In my legacy Georgia Tech had won 3 titles and built a dynasty in 9 years at one point. But we were like 10+ years past that and Georgia Tech is average at best and not getting really good recruits, he ended up wasting probably like 5-6 of his final years there before he retired. Fortunately a good young coach took over his spot and got them into the sweet 16 which ignited the recruiting again for them. Even tho, it only lasted for 2 seasons, they still have a loaded roster and are currently atop the ACC again

[OSUPiper]

Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

I think overall, the game does a decent job with it's sim results. It does bum me out a bit though when I see Kansas, Kentucky and all the Big 10 schools never crack the top 25 or make a real run in the tournament. The weird thing is that in my legacy all those schools have highly rated coaches who aren't bringing in the talent to compete. They also hardly ever get fired, despite a long run of mediocrity.

Has anyone come up with a strategy to keep those programs relevant without destroying the integrity of the game too much? What about creating good in-state recruits for those schools to go after?

I turned off the option for players to leave early for the draft, not sure if that's having an effect or not.

On the plus side, I just graduated all 5 starters from my team that won back-to-back National Titles and went undefeated the 2nd year. I just played my first game of the new season after losing those guys and my young 90 OVR team had some serious trouble with a veteran 72 OVR Northern Arizona squad. I needed a late run to pull away after breezing past top 10 teams just last year. This is the only sports game I've ever played that captures this kind of ebb and flow from year to year.

In addition to AA recruit edits (to 90+ OVR), I started bumping stats up on one player at a "need" position at Kentucky, UNC, and KU, just to see what would happen. All three teams were ranked 2 years later.

[Brock]

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This final four game between #1 Syracuse and #11 Oregon St I'm watching currently, just went into a 2nd overtime! First time I've seen one of those since the 3 overtime game I witnessed like 3 years ago.