C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

Webber got that by essentially playing point forward...

Something you can do when you can pass like him AND have a team of shooters like Sac.

He's not a good mix in Philly as they needed a post player...and he's given up even trying to play in the paint.

His stats were nice in Sac...but the win / loss record wasn't.

He was traded for a reason.

Post player?? Who plays the post for the Sixers? Nobody. Why? Because the head coach wants jump shooters. Jim O'Brien had freakin' Mark Jackson and Sam Dalembert out at 15-18 feet shooting jumpers. So why is Webber the only one doing this? He wasn't.

The offense was let Iverson dribble and shoot with him hopefully taking on a double team so he can pass to that open player. That was O'Brien's offense. And it sucked.

And Webber may have been traded for a reason and my guess is his contract had alot to do with that.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

AI really deserves a better teammate.

What if better players can't play with Iverson?

[Admiral50]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

They can and so can Iverson play with them. Iverson plays the way he does because he has too (pretty much). Swap him with Tony Parker and you'll notice AI taken a lot less shots and running the Duncan offense. He does actually enjoy passing the ball.

Even if the coach or plays changed in Philly, Webber's output wouldn't. He wasn't a good post player at the best of times, usually using his half hook/throw and his arm hooking (foul) spin to the hoop. Now his hops and lateral movement have declined, so he is even less effective. Not rocket science.

[sammyc521]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

AI with Tim Duncan would be unfair...

[Alliball]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

His stats were nice in Sac...but the win / loss record wasn't.

Huh? Don't look at Webber's last 4 months in Sac, look at his body of work here. He is the main reason Sacramento made the move from doormat to contender. After he was traded the Kings were no more than a .500 team at best. He was traded when his value was as high as it could be considering he was injury just waiting to happen and his contract was weighing down the Kings like a white elephant.

Dude can still play, just not with AI, and who can?

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

They can and so can Iverson play with them. Iverson plays the way he does because he has too (pretty much). Swap him with Tony Parker and you'll notice AI taken a lot less shots and running the Duncan offense. He does actually enjoy passing the ball.

Even if the coach or plays changed in Philly, Webber's output wouldn't. He wasn't a good post player at the best of times, usually using his half hook/throw and his arm hooking (foul) spin to the hoop. Now his hops and lateral movement have declined, so he is even less effective. Not rocket science.

Of course you are going to think that....but guess what....Iverson plays the way he does ...because that's how he wants to play.

Iverson will continue to play his style of ball because the way he plays is the only way he knows. He has to dominate the ball. That's is why Larry Brown made him into a shooting guard. He wanted a point to at least set up the offense first and then get Iverson the ball.

People think that if Iverson had a couple All Stars on his team, he would change. HE'S NOT CHANGING. He is not a player that adapts well to going away from what he does. Look at how he handled that with Chris Ford. Prime example.

Iverson is a great player, an absolutely Hall of Famer...but he is the most difficult player to play with because of his domination of the ball. He needs the ball in his hands most of the time. Players are willing to adapt to him, but he does not adapt to his teammates. He is going to wreck poor Iguodala if he is going to make him just be an alley-oop dunker for his first 3-4 years in his career.

[utexas]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

I don't have a problem with AI or his style of play because Webber won't post up.I'm unclear of whether that's him or the coach. Before I blame the coach, I remember watching him as a King the past few years. Jump shot after Jump shot. AI has never had a true complimentary player. Its always been him and a bunch of guys.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

I don't have a problem with AI or his style of play because Webber won't post up.I'm unclear of whether that's him or the coach. Before I blame the coach, I remember watching him as a King the past few years. Jump shot after Jump shot. AI has never had a true complimentary player. Its always been him and a bunch of guys.

And that is probably the best way to use him, except those other bunch of guys have to play defense.

[Court_vision]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

Huh? Don't look at Webber's last 4 months in Sac, look at his body of work here. He is the main reason Sacramento made the move from doormat to contender. After he was traded the Kings were no more than a .500 team at best. He was traded when his value was as high as it could be considering he was injury just waiting to happen and his contract was weighing down the Kings like a white elephant.

Dude can still play, just not with AI, and who can?

I acknowledge what Webber did in Sac man...but most of that was 2 + years ago.

We are talking about C Webb now.

The guy with no lift in his legs...who takes an age to get up and down the court...who plays little to no D.

That's why he got traded. That's why he has to accept his role in Philly is to get in the paint and be a decent sized body in there. That's all he is now.

No team is going to build their offense around Webb like Sac did 4 seasons ago...I guarantee you that. And Webbers style of play NEEDS a team built around him so he can play point forward.

Look how quickly Glen Rice, Pat Ewing and co. went downhill once their knees were shot.

Sadly, Webbers best days are most likely a long time ago now. I hope not though.

[nbasuperstar40]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

A perfect fit for Iverson is Phoenix Suns, and you would said why. because he creatitive and that why I feel he fits PHX.

[Vince]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

Stackhouse
Hughes
Van Horn
Coleman
Webber

anyone im forgetting?

Big Dogg

Man Cwebb could've been Karl Malone.Big bruising power forward who could post up,hit the mid range J with a lot of consistency,grab boards and pass from the high post.But he decided to strictly become a Jump shooter.

[Freelance]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

A perfect fit for Iverson is Phoenix Suns, and you would said why. because he creatitive and that why I feel he fits PHX.

No, then he would have to pass. He'd quit.

[HardwoodHeisman]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

No, then he would have to pass. He'd quit.

He wouldn't have a problem passin the ball if he had established teammates he could depend on like Nash.

[mgoblue]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

Did I misread that article (later on)? He talked about Minnesota and their search for a coach, and mentioned PJ Carlisimo as an option...isn't Sprewell on Minnesota still? Didn't Spree choke Carlisimo while at Golden State? Seems like a really stupid idea to reunite those two again...

[NINJAK2]

Re: C-Webb on AI: "I can't play with him..."

Of course you are going to think that....but guess what....Iverson plays the way he does ...because that's how he wants to play.

Iverson will continue to play his style of ball because the way he plays is the only way he knows. He has to dominate the ball. That's is why Larry Brown made him into a shooting guard. He wanted a point to at least set up the offense first and then get Iverson the ball.

People think that if Iverson had a couple All Stars on his team, he would change. HE'S NOT CHANGING. He is not a player that adapts well to going away from what he does. Look at how he handled that with Chris Ford. Prime example.

Iverson is a great player, an absolutely Hall of Famer...but he is the most difficult player to play with because of his domination of the ball. He needs the ball in his hands most of the time. Players are willing to adapt to him, but he does not adapt to his teammates. He is going to wreck poor Iguodala if he is going to make him just be an alley-oop dunker for his first 3-4 years in his career.

Are you saying that Iverson is routinely breaking plays and doing his own thing out there? OB's system revolves solely around the success of A.I. and does very little to promote team involvement. It's all about feeding off of A.I. and his teammates capitalizing. It took O'Brien 2-3 weeks after the trade to realize he may want to alter his playbook with the addition of Webber. He did very little altering. That Sixer playbook is unimaginative to say the least. Iverson is dribbling around way too much and I do feel they should use him more like Rip Hamilton (moving without the ball) and get a solid PG who can penetrate and shoot the midrange J. Webber could be a better benefit to the Sixers if he was used like he was in Sac-Town as a catalyst for the offense from the high post. O' Brien and Webb bumped heads early on when he got there and OB needs to get that relationship mended and come up with a better playbook.