Re: Dennis Rodman where would you rank him
That's where you are wrong... Stats DO lie... Stats NEVER tell the whole story. You're dismissing the "stat junkies" and preaching like one at the same time. Where are Ho Grant's stats? Not as impressive because he played with other talent.
Who was taking rebounds and front court points from Tom Chambers in PHO? Nobody. He played with a great PG and very little other talent. That's how you accumulate stats. Plus, his time in Seattle...they played a pure run and gun.
Who was Derrick Coleman's best teammate in his prime?
Terry Cummings had one good season with David Robinson, never the same after that. His big point years were in Milwaukee with nothing but an aging Jack Sikma to share the ball.
Buck Williams got all his big years in Jersey with little talent around. I don't believe he ever scored more than 8 or 9 ppg in Portland and he only got double-digit boards because Porter, Drexler, and Kersey didn't rebound...and...Kevin Duckworth was lucky to find his *** with both hands.
Like Chambers, X-Man benefited from playing that early 80's Seattle ball. They did nothing but run. That's why he got less than 5 or 6 rebounds per. They played all transition. I will give X credit for one thing...he got his teams to the playoffs and his play was consistent in the 2nd season too.
NOW...all that being said... I like most of these players.
But, to throw out one stat for the stat folks... Are you familiar with John Hollingers formula for "Rebound Rate"??? It is basically the measure of what percentage of the available rebounds were gotten by a particular player during his time on the floor.
David Robinson got about 17% of all rebounds while he was on the floor
Patrick Ewing was about 15.5%
Ben Wallace, arguably the current premier rebounder gets about 18.4%
Dennis Rodman got 23.7% of the rebounds available while he was on the floor.
Think about that 1 in 4 missed shots... that's a GREAT player!
Originally posted by charles167
Who was taking rebounds and front court points from Tom Chambers in PHO? Nobody. He played with a great PG and very little other talent. That's how you accumulate stats. Plus, his time in Seattle...they played a pure run and gun.
Who was Derrick Coleman's best teammate in his prime?
Terry Cummings had one good season with David Robinson, never the same after that. His big point years were in Milwaukee with nothing but an aging Jack Sikma to share the ball.
Buck Williams got all his big years in Jersey with little talent around. I don't believe he ever scored more than 8 or 9 ppg in Portland and he only got double-digit boards because Porter, Drexler, and Kersey didn't rebound...and...Kevin Duckworth was lucky to find his *** with both hands.
Like Chambers, X-Man benefited from playing that early 80's Seattle ball. They did nothing but run. That's why he got less than 5 or 6 rebounds per. They played all transition. I will give X credit for one thing...he got his teams to the playoffs and his play was consistent in the 2nd season too.
NOW...all that being said... I like most of these players.
But, to throw out one stat for the stat folks... Are you familiar with John Hollingers formula for "Rebound Rate"??? It is basically the measure of what percentage of the available rebounds were gotten by a particular player during his time on the floor.
David Robinson got about 17% of all rebounds while he was on the floor
Patrick Ewing was about 15.5%
Ben Wallace, arguably the current premier rebounder gets about 18.4%
Dennis Rodman got 23.7% of the rebounds available while he was on the floor.
Think about that 1 in 4 missed shots... that's a GREAT player!
Comment