The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

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  • LrOn2k
    Rookie
    • Sep 2004
    • 15

    #31
    Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

    Well now that we have added Sarunas to the mix the Pacers are over the hump "on paper" over the pistons. Plus the fact now the Pacers have a HUGE coaching advantage now.

    The heat aren't even in the same league anymore, they're struggling to keep players while the pacers are stacking up

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    • DW Rutledge
      Banned
      • Jan 2005
      • 686

      #32
      Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

      Originally posted by darrenp1518
      You say these bad things about Artest, but watch how he plays this season, he is already by far the best on ball defender in the league, and i have him even with Ben Wallace in terms of who the best defender in the entire league is. Then when you put his outstanding offense that he displayed last year before his suspension, where he was averaging 20 some points a game, i think that he has a shot to win the mvp this year, where most people think that is a crazy statement, but he can just take over games. They are definitely the best team in the east this year in my mind with all of there players being healthy and with the additions of the rookies from last year they will be tough to keep out of the finals.
      dude, you're crazier than artest if you really think he can win the mvp this year. david stern would have to die first LOL.

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      • dieselboy
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        • Dec 2002
        • 18040

        #33
        Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

        Originally posted by Clay_OS
        Well...you...and....well.....nobody else!

        Backcourt is a clear advantage to the Pistons. The backcourt isn't even a debate. Billups and RIP are clearly superior. When Stephen Jackson plays some defense and Jamal Tinsley can stay healthy more than a quarter at a time, we can reopen talks.

        Frontcourt... Offensively you're looking at JO and Artest and Sheed. I would rank them (without making assumptions about what they will be this year):
        1) JO
        2) Sheed
        3) Artest
        4) Tay
        5) Foster
        6) Ben

        So, slight advantage to Indy.

        Defense. Of course you will disagree:
        1) Ben
        2) Artest
        3) Tay
        T-4) JO & Sheed
        6) Foster

        Advantage Pistons by more than a little

        Defensive rebounding is close, but goes to the Pistons. Offensive rebounding is the Pistons by a mile. Don't fool yourself with Fosters 2 good games.

        Shot blocking...Pistons
        Steals...Pistons

        The Pistons have the best Starting 5 in basketball. Period.
        Got to agree with everything you said. And the Pistons probably have the better 6th man as well.

        But in the end, I still think Indiana is going to make a run at it. They probably have the best depth in the East, one of the best coaches, they are finally healthy, and Ron Artest is coming into the season with a chip on his shoulder.

        As for Miami.... People are saying they aren't even in consideration for winning the East? People, you got to realize that when they brought in Shaq, they actually expected to make their championship run this season, after the first year of having Shaq in Miami, not his first.

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        • doveer
          Rookie
          • Jul 2004
          • 94

          #34
          Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

          Yes the Pacers are so good... This new guy is supposed to be Michael Jordan. Ron Artest is the ultimate defender. No more Injuries. Wow this looks great! Too bad there are at least 2 teams in the East that will beat the Pacers even if they did have all their players. Tinsley always get injured. I guarantee another injury will happen which will become the excuse for next year even if it's Stephen Jackson out for 2 weeks. I want to see them play already... I want to see Mr. MVP DEFENSE Ron Artest guard Shaq.

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          • cdubdiggity
            MVP
            • May 2003
            • 1204

            #35
            Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

            ....Artest is a better Defender than Ben Wallace

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            • Shaver
              Legend
              • Jul 2002
              • 10148

              #36
              Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

              Originally posted by cdubdiggity
              ....Artest is a better Defender than Ben Wallace
              Says you and Rick Carlisle....

              Since that has become the only defense of your thread... I'll make mine simple for you as well...

              Count the hardware...

              Rings...DPOY awards... Eastern Conference Championships...

              "You gotta beat the man to be the man..."

              When Indy OR Miami knocks Detroit off the mantle...we can reopen discussion... till then...
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              • charles167
                Banned
                • Nov 2003
                • 890

                #37
                Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                Originally posted by cdubdiggity
                ....Artest is a better Defender than Ben Wallace

                Oh boy....Clay is at it again. If you dont like Artest just say so. But he is the beast defender in the league. We had this discussion a while back.

                Remember this quote..
                "Artest finished the 2003-04 regular season ranked third in the league in steals (2.08 spg) and successfully held his defensive assignments, some of the league’s top players, to 8.1 points per game on 9.3 shots per game and .426 shooting."
                Last edited by charles167; 07-26-2005, 10:57 AM.

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                • Shaver
                  Legend
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 10148

                  #38
                  Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                  Originally posted by charles167
                  Oh boy....Clay is at it again. If you dont like Artest just say so. But he is the beast defender in the league. We had this discussion a while back.
                  Says the Indiana Homers...

                  He couldn't even check RIP the last time he played in the playoffs... I don't have anything against Artest. He's crazy as hell...but I don't hold that against him. BUT... he is, AT BEST, the 3rd best defender in the NBA... maybe as low as 5th.
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                  • Shaver
                    Legend
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 10148

                    #39
                    Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                    Originally posted by charles167
                    Remember this quote..
                    "Artest finished the 2003-04 regular season ranked third in the league in steals (2.08 spg) and successfully held his defensive assignments, some of the league’s top players, to 8.1 points per game on 9.3 shots per game and .426 shooting."
                    And again... that is a completely untrackable stat... those are BS statistics released, most likely, by the Pacer's PR Department. Defensive assignments change from play-to-play.... transition... defensive rotation... no way you can track that stat.

                    Besides... stats are all fine and good.... real Defenders change games... Ben Wallace changes games...
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                    • Slymm
                      Th* m*n...
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 3406

                      #40
                      Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                      Big Ben didn't show me much this last playoffs. Artest gets the nod in my book.
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                      • charles167
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 890

                        #41
                        Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                        Originally posted by Clay_OS
                        And again... that is a completely untrackable stat... those are BS statistics released, most likely, by the Pacer's PR Department. Defensive assignments change from play-to-play.... transition... defensive rotation... no way you can track that stat.

                        Besides... stats are all fine and good.... real Defenders change games... Ben Wallace changes games...
                        My bad Clay....That quote was from NBA.com....I guess they make up stats too.

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                        • Shaver
                          Legend
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 10148

                          #42
                          Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                          Originally posted by charles167
                          My bad Clay....That quote was from NBA.com....I guess they make up stats too.
                          You don't think they get stats from the team statisticians???? Wake up!
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                          • HardwoodHeisman
                            R*d B*ll G*v*s Y** W*ngs
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 2399

                            #43
                            Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                            Originally posted by slymm21
                            Big Ben didn't show me much this last playoffs. Artest gets the nod in my book.
                            Big Ben hasn't showed me much in a while now. I'd probably take Bruce Bowen and Testy over Wallace.

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                            • Shaver
                              Legend
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 10148

                              #44
                              Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                              Wow... I thought Ben played VERY well in games 3-7 of the Finals...
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                              • charles167
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 890

                                #45
                                Re: The Pacers..Why People Dont Realize This?

                                Originally posted by Clay_OS
                                Wow... I thought Ben played VERY well in games 3-7 of the Finals...
                                Im sure Ben thought so too....Now he has all summer to think about it.

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