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  • Mofasa
    Rookie
    • Sep 2004
    • 471

    #31
    Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

    Duncan is the best player in the league
    Thats not as clear cut as you may think, duncan is a great TEAM player and leader but there are more talented guys in the leauge than him. Timmy is just very good and efficient at what he does, it also doesnt hurt to have manu and parker.

    I agree with kash that duncan didnt look like the mvp of the finals, but i think they took into account that he got them there...kind of why shaq would always get the finals MVP even though kobe would play great too,......it's just shaq's contibution was more VALUABLE
    “It’s so senseless to me to say he shouldn’t take over like that. You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they’re not making that many, I know it.”
    -Jerry West

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    • Sarah
      MVP
      • May 2003
      • 2609

      #32
      Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

      Originally posted by Kashanova
      of course i know manu can do what he does with out duncan wait in 2004 in the olympics he was doing it on him, yeah but duncan never had to face rodman, jordan, and pippen cause if he did duncan would be on the same boat with no rings, and i guanrantee if duncan was in the same situation he would throw himself in 2 a championship team and you bringing that up has nothing to do with comparing malone to duncan. like amra said i dont know what finals you where watching larry brown changed his gameplan quite a few times cause of manu, he didn't worry about duncan since he was chocking on the f/t line the first 6 games, and i agree with amra saying k.g is a better defender cause i think k.g is a better all around player then duncan

      But he did face the prime of Shaq, Webber, Garnett, Big Ben and the best of what this era has to offer and survive. The only difference is there is no Jordan in this era, only immitations of Jordan and those trying to be Jordan like.

      Plus I see things this way, take Duncan out of SA and SA will be down there fighting in the 7th or 8th seed. Take Manu out and Duncan in, and I still see SA somewhere between 2nd and 3rd. If you put Finley as a factor, they will move to the 1st spot. Duncan is the heart and soul of SA and Manu is just a major support cast of Duncan. Kind of like Pippen to Jordan. So Jordan had one series where he was doing bad and Pippen good, does it make Jordan any less of what he is? If Stocton has a bad series and Malone carry the game on his back, does it make Stocton any less? Manu did not have anthing to say about him winning the MVP means he is happy and satisfied with the decision the league gave. Otherwise Manu can get the heck out of thier because the team belongs to D-U-N-C-A-N!!! And for those people that doesn't like Duncan, I have some news for you, he is the heart of the team and it's not going to change anytime soon. And guess what, they will have another championship sometime in the future too. And Manu knows that when he sign the contract that it is Duncan's team and he respected it unlike some player.

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      • Pointguard
        MVP
        • Jun 2005
        • 2977

        #33
        Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

        Originally posted by Mofasa
        Thats not as clear cut as you may think, duncan is a great TEAM player and leader but there are more talented guys in the leauge than him. Timmy is just very good and efficient at what he does, it also doesnt hurt to have manu and parker.

        I agree with kash that duncan didnt look like the mvp of the finals, but i think they took into account that he got them there...kind of why shaq would always get the finals MVP even though kobe would play great too,......it's just shaq's contibution was more VALUABLE
        We shouldn't solely judge Duncan on the finals, when he was obviously injuried with his ankle. Whether he's the best player or not, he one of the top 3 easily and its hard to argue he isn't #1. I think KG is the only player who can even make a case for being better than Duncan IMO.
        Last edited by Pointguard; 09-17-2005, 11:15 PM.

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        • MDKKRB
          Banned
          • Jun 2004
          • 542

          #34
          Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

          I'm going on a limb and saying either....












          Ray Allen or Gilbert Arenas

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          • Kashanova
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2003
            • 12695

            #35
            Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

            Originally posted by Pointguard
            We shouldn't solely judge Duncan on the finals, when he was obviously injuried with his ankle. Whether he's the best player or not, he one of the top 3 easily and its hard to argue he isn't #1. I think KG is the only player who can even make a case for being better than Duncan IMO.
            i can pick shaq and k.g over t.d. easily

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            • Rocky
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 6896

              #36
              Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

              Originally posted by Kashanova
              of course i know manu can do what he does with out duncan wait in 2004 in the olympics he was doing it on him, yeah but duncan never had to face rodman, jordan, and pippen cause if he did duncan would be on the same boat with no rings, and i guanrantee if duncan was in the same situation he would throw himself in 2 a championship team and you bringing that up has nothing to do with comparing malone to duncan. like amra said i dont know what finals you where watching larry brown changed his gameplan quite a few times cause of manu, he didn't worry about duncan since he was chocking on the f/t line the first 6 games, and i agree with amra saying k.g is a better defender cause i think k.g is a better all around player then duncan

              Wow, you make absolutely no sense. If you compare football and basketball than you have no sense. If you think Ginobli, Parker, and Horry are some super supporting cast, than you dont know anything about basketball. Nice players? Yes, but TD IS THE SPURS. Tell me please, who leads the team in points, rebounds, and blocks?
              "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
              -Rocky Balboa

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              • Kashanova
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 12695

                #37
                Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                tell me who shoots the most shots, who plays second most mins, takes most ft's and shots under 70%, if ginobli and horry aren't on the spurs they don't win the chip, the system of the spurs is great cause they have all pieces that make it suceed k.g would do better in this system since he's more versatile and is way better then TD. and i wasnt comparing football and basketball just too very overrated players that happen to be in different sports

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                • TheMatrix31
                  RF
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 52929

                  #38
                  Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                  Mofasa, Duncan is the best BECAUSE he is so efficient and excellent at everything he does. I know there might be guys with more talent, but no one has put it together like he has. And oh, I dont buy the "supporting cast" excuse, because everyone needs someone else to succeed.

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                  • Pointguard
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 2977

                    #39
                    Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                    Originally posted by Kashanova
                    i can pick shaq and k.g over t.d. easily
                    Why?

                    I buy that a few years ago, but Shaq's defense and dominance has fallen off since then.

                    Duncan's offensive rating is 112 and his defensive rating is 93 (you want a high off. rating and low def. rating) while Shaq's is 111 for offense 100 for defense

                    Duncan has a much better Rebound rate at 19.4 to 17.8 for Shaq.

                    Shaq averages 2.3 bpg in 34 minutes while Duncan is at 2.6 a game in 33 minutes..

                    Duncan's man2man post defense is up at the top of the league, he can handle the ball, has a better ***. to turnover ratio and IMO, is easily a better basketball player.

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                    • Mofasa
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 471

                      #40
                      Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                      Mofasa, Duncan is the best BECAUSE he is so efficient and excellent at everything he does. I know there might be guys with more talent, but no one has put it together like he has. And oh, I dont buy the "supporting cast" excuse, because everyone needs someone else to succeed
                      I didnt say he wasnt I just said that it isnt a clear as you may want to think, however i would give it to him because he has been successful and that is what it comes down to.
                      “It’s so senseless to me to say he shouldn’t take over like that. You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they’re not making that many, I know it.”
                      -Jerry West

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                      • Kashanova
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 12695

                        #41
                        Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                        Originally posted by Pointguard
                        Why?

                        I buy that a few years ago, but Shaq's defense and dominance has fallen off since then.

                        Duncan's offensive rating is 112 and his defensive rating is 93 (you want a high off. rating and low def. rating) while Shaq's is 111 for offense 100 for defense

                        Duncan has a much better Rebound rate at 19.4 to 17.8 for Shaq.

                        Shaq averages 2.3 bpg in 34 minutes while Duncan is at 2.6 a game in 33 minutes..

                        Duncan's man2man post defense is up at the top of the league, he can handle the ball, has a better ***. to turnover ratio and IMO, is easily a better basketball player.
                        Shaq has something duncan has there is nobody 1 on 1 who can guard but i've seen people who can guard TD this is a great advantage cause when shaq gets double team he can get others involve if someone locks duncan everyone else gets guarded, and i see your not even going to compare k.g which is good cause he's always been better

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                        • Sarah
                          MVP
                          • May 2003
                          • 2609

                          #42
                          Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                          Originally posted by Kashanova
                          tell me who shoots the most shots, who plays second most mins, takes most ft's and shots under 70%, if ginobli and horry aren't on the spurs they don't win the chip, the system of the spurs is great cause they have all pieces that make it suceed k.g would do better in this system since he's more versatile and is way better then TD. and i wasnt comparing football and basketball just too very overrated players that happen to be in different sports
                          Yeah, Jordan have Pippen, Rodman, Horace, Paxon, Kerr, and some more under his leadership, carrying him if he has some bad games or series, does it meant Jordan doesn't deserve anything where his presence alone kept the teams goal intact?

                          Jordan has Pippen (one of the 50 greatest players of all time), Rodman (one of the best defensive player and rebounder of that era), Kerr (a three point champion), Kukoc (playing on his prime and youth), Brian Williams later on known as Bison Dele ( a solid and consistent defender as he was known until he dissapeard).

                          Duncan has Parker (a solid but inconsistent PG), Manu (very, very far away from even making as the 60th player of all time), Horry (who is the best role player I have ever seen since Pippen in CHI), Nazr (who played like Luke Longley in the finals).

                          I guess the system build by the people that made NBA possible today is flawed.

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                          • RoyalBoyle78
                            Aka."Footballforever"
                            • May 2003
                            • 23918

                            #43
                            Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                            Originally posted by Mofasa
                            Less than 3 weeks from training camp now is a good time as any

                            If your are not going to say why dont bother putting names, and you dont need to put duncan cause he is up there every year.

                            Here is mine

                            T Mac
                            I think he has a good shot at getting it this year because his team could actually be good enough to help him get the wins he needs to be in contention. Guys like t mac put up mvp like stats every year so ....

                            I say if they can get about 55 wins and tmac put up 26pts 6reb 6ast or better he should get it.

                            Bron
                            Bron got votes last year and just like tmac all he needs is wins. The cavs have put together a really solid team and I could see them getting into the playoffs. The thing is though they play in a really good division -detriot, chicago, indiana and a much improved Bucks team- maybe the 2nd best in the league (if not the best) so it will take alot to get home court in the first round but if they do Bron would have a shot at MVP

                            Bron should put up about 24-26pts 7reb 9ast

                            I'll leave the rest to you guys
                            Damn , why don't we wait until the season starts, I really don't think you could be a MVP at this time...lol
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                            • Sarah
                              MVP
                              • May 2003
                              • 2609

                              #44
                              Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                              Originally posted by Kashanova
                              Shaq has something duncan has there is nobody 1 on 1 who can guard but i've seen people who can guard TD this is a great advantage cause when shaq gets double team he can get others involve if someone locks duncan everyone else gets guarded, and i see your not even going to compare k.g which is good cause he's always been better

                              Yeah, then why did they miss the playoffs seeing as he also has a good supporting cast behind him, Wally, Spree, Cassel, Hudson and others I don't know. If injuries is an excuse, SA is not immune to it. I guess thier is one thing Garnett doesn't have and Duncan have, leadership skills over Garnett. That weigh more than stats.

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                              • TheLetterZ
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6752

                                #45
                                Re: Your MVP candidates and why...

                                No love for AI?

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