Damn, kids today are already forgetting about MJ's greatness

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Good post KDRE. I forgot the MJ still has a nice stronghold in the sport through his shoes and gear. Which has also moved on to other sports. This is something that has never been done and will most likely become a franchise of the future. So Jordans name may stick throughout it all. I would'nt be suprised if in the future, the NBA uses Jordans signature logo for a new logo to pay homage. Dude was just that big.

Also, the current trend seems to be that most of the old school players are finding their way into the front office of most organizations. There is no doubt in my mind that Jordan will own a team one day. He could possibly carry a organization based off his name alone for the next century through his kids. I can see it happening.

With that said, the Jordan legacy may fade but I dont think it'll happen anytime in our lifetime or even our kids lifetime.

[Leon]

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Look at it like this. MJ the icon will most probably be never forgotten. But MJ's greatness on the court is being diminished by this generation because they've either never seen him play or think that X-Player being able to jump higher/etc. easily qualifies enough to be better than MJ.

That's what's sad.

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Look at it like this. MJ the icon will most probably be never forgotten. But MJ's greatness on the court is being diminished by this generation because they've either never seen him play or think that X-Player being able to jump higher/etc. easily qualifies enough to be better than MJ.

That's what's sad.

As I said earlier, they dont know anything from jumpstreet. MJ wasnt about jumping... the man had fundamentals and hard work packed down on both ends of the court. Now you have Darius Miles, specialist who can either shoot or play D.. not both, or a few guys who stil shoots sub par percentages compared to even bench players of the 90's.

I never saw another player on the bench.... the opposing team goes on a mini run.... that player on the bench comes back in, and you can actually see the opposing team drawback... You could see their confidence shrink a bit.... it was fear... like they knew something was wrong and he could see it.

For all it was worth, the Pistons turned and animal into a monster, because MJ became the man who dominated you with his mind. It was somewhat rediculous that he always seemed to be 2 or 3 steps ahead of everyone else in the L... everytime they tried to say, oh such and such is better at this than MJ... look out... trash talk him and he'd pick his teeth clean with your team.... As exxagerrated as that sounds, its the truth. It got to the point where he would be passed up in MVP voting because he had to be compared to himself as a standard of what else he has to do to stand out even more.

Every playoffs series, it was... what will he do this time, because he always topped the previous year somehow with things he did.

It was funny because the 1999 playoffs (1st playoffs after MJ's final Bulls retirement) AI scored 40 pts in a game, and the announcers were like... michael who..... and I understand, they were trying to say, we wont miss him that much, but you know, they do miss him THAT much.

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As I said earlier, they dont know anything from jumpstreet. MJ wasnt about jumping... the man had fundamentals and hard work packed down on both ends of the court. Now you have Darius Miles, specialist who can either shoot or play D.. not both, or a few guys who stil shoots sub par percentages compared to even bench players of the 90's.

I never saw another player on the bench.... the opposing team goes on a mini run.... that player on the bench comes back in, and you can actually see the opposing team drawback... You could see their confidence shrink a bit.... it was fear... like they knew something was wrong and he could see it.

For all it was worth, the Pistons turned and animal into a monster, because MJ became the man who dominated you with his mind. It was somewhat rediculous that he always seemed to be 2 or 3 steps ahead of everyone else in the L... everytime they tried to say, oh such and such is better at this than MJ... look out... trash talk him and he'd pick his teeth clean with your team.... As exxagerrated as that sounds, its the truth. It got to the point where he would be passed up in MVP voting because he had to be compared to himself as a standard of what else he has to do to stand out even more.

Every playoffs series, it was... what will he do this time, because he always topped the previous year somehow with things he did.

It was funny because the 1999 playoffs (1st playoffs after MJ's final Bulls retirement) AI scored 40 pts in a game, and the announcers were like... michael who..... and I understand, they were trying to say, we wont miss him that much, but you know, they do miss him THAT much.

Stop it with the memories. I feel very fortunate to be alive and live in Chicago during the dynasty. The fans here litterally thought we could win every game we played with MJ. His sopporting staff may have lacked in some areas but MJ used to always take the entire team on his back and do whatever it takes. As for the Playoffs, it was a wrap when he was on the court. We knew that no matter how large the deficit, MJ, Pip and the rest of the team would march us back into the game. (Along with a lil ref help, cant deny the ref help) But for the most part, he struck fear into any and every player on the opposing team. Even when a player would get confident, ie, John Starks, Clyde Drexler, he would just out match and out wit them on the court. Nobody has done it better to this day.

[Leon]

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Of course MJ wasn't about jumping, he's more than that. Complete as you might say. I'm just talking about the average dude who thinks VC being a better dunker makes him a better player. Stuff like that.

[Dallasin2K3]

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I think that a lot of the problem is today's game is a one-on-one game. The "best" players are one-on-one specialists: Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, etc. It's the way the game is played now. It's superstar based. It's not about great team fundamentals and sharing the ball, nobody cares about those guys anymore. I personally think the teams of 10 years ago would destroy some of the teams today because they played a different game.. but maybe that's just me.. today, most fans care about the high-flying, ankle breaking, dribble off the defender's forehead as you pass to yourself off the backboard doing a 360 tomahawk jam... and that's what is attractive to them. That's why they like T-Mac and Kobe Bryant and they think Tim Duncan is boring.

[Air23]

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I don't think MJ will be forgotten, because of his marketing ability. The guy isn't even playing anymore, but yet his shoes are still top sellers. He has himself marketed on clothes, shoes, and any other thing you can think of. If anything MJ did the best out of anybody transcending the sport. Sure Wilt, Russell, Mikian did the sport great justice. However, MJ took the sport and took it into a new light through marketing. It was a bold, and very smart move on MJ's part.

And you know that's saying something when a Dookie gives props to a Tarheel.

[RA29]

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Ya, the sad part is that kids today will probably think that Larry Bird sucks...because Bird can hardly jump, cant dunk and cant blow by people.

Damn, miss watching Larry Bird play the game.
He makes it look so easy.

[PdiddyPop]

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And you know that's saying something when a Dookie gives props to a Tarheel.

Yeah I don't say that very often.

[HMcCoy]

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I don't think MJ did any more for the league than Mikan did...a man who took it from NOTHING to a top 3 sport. Took it from a game played in highschool gymnasiums to packed arenas and national exposure, while inventing the post position. 20 years from now, do you think that the fact that the leagues popularity was waning in the early 80's will even register a blip on the average 20-something B-Ball fans' conciousness? Does Mikans ligitimizing the league 50 years ago register on ours? Nah. Can we name one commercial Wilt was in? Nah. They won't care about MJ's Hanes undies or Gatorade spots years from now either. All of the great things Mike did for the sport will be summarily forgotten, like we've forgotten Mikans. Its sad but fair...the cycle of life thing, y'know?

Mikes only been gone for a few years and already the new generation is forgetting his legacy. 20 years from now MJ will be Bill Russell. The fact that WE saw it, and WE enjoyed it doesn't mean spit. Just be glad WE got to see it. I am.

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I don't think MJ did any more for the league than Mikan did...a man who took it from NOTHING to a top 3 sport. Took it from a game played in highschool gymnasiums to packed arenas and national exposure. And 20 years from now, do you really think that the fact that the leagues popularity was waning in the early 80's will even register a blip on their conciousness? Does Mikans ligitimizing the league 50 years ago register on ours? Nah. Can you name one commercial Wilt was in? Nah. Mikes only been gone for a few years and already the new generation is forgetting his legacy. 20 years from now MJ will be Bill Russell. The fact that WE saw it, and WE enjoyed it doesn't mean spit. Just be glad we got to see it.

But that doesnt answer the question, how many of those guys transcended the game? There is your difference. Like I said, beyond what we know here in the US, Mikan didnt take the game any further. He just didnt. Russel didnt have fans in China and yugoslavia, and all of those other places hard to name.

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But that doesnt answer the question, how many of those guys transcended the game? There is your difference. Like I said, beyond what we know here in the US, Mikan didnt take the game any further. He just didnt. Russel didnt have fans in China and yugoslavia, and all of those other places hard to name.

MJ didn't either initially. International basketball didn't suddenly blow up in the mid 80's when Jimmy hit the league. It was the insane worldwide hype of the original Dream Team that kick started the leagues global popularity. Don't get me wrong, MJ was the leagues face in those times, and of course its strongest ambassador...but again, those things will. not. matter. 20 years from now.

Do you consider the leagues recent globalization more significant than the leagues rise to prominence as a major sport here in the U.S? Basketball was a top sport BEFORE MJ hit the scene, and there were several great players that worked damn hard to get it there. We don't revere those accomplishments, but fully expect the next generation to forever worship the fact that MJ made B-Ball popular in China? Not gonna happen, bro.

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MJ didn't either initially. International basketball didn't suddenly blow up in the mid 80's when Jimmy hit the league. It was the insane worldwide hype of the original Dream Team that kick started the leagues global popularity. Don't get me wrong, MJ was the leagues face in those times, and of course its strongest ambassador...but again, those things will. not. matter. 20 years from now.

Sure the dream team.... now who's still carrying that torch years later? They just about dont even respect the players of today. 20 years from now, who knows... What I DO know is in contrast to what was stated earlier in this thread, his legacy has not faded.

Do you consider the leagues recent globalization more significant than the leagues rise to prominence as a major sport here in the U.S?

I think international bball is too young to say.The sport as a whole is pretty young when you think about it. I do consider the globalization of the game as a necessary step for the game itself to continue to grow.


Basketball was a top sport BEFORE MJ hit the scene, and there were several great players that worked damn hard to get it there. We don't revere those accomplishments, but fully expect the next generation to forever worship the fact that MJ made B-Ball popular in China? Not gonna happen, bro.

Bball was pretty popular at its moments before MJ. Im not contesting that. If those early pioneers had not done what they did, we probably wouldnt be watching anything at this very moment. I dont expect the next generation to live in the past, but for the sheer fact that it has failed to capitalize on what was paved before it came along shows me whenever you bring up things done this day and age, even with advancements in things like medicines, weights, increased athleticism etc... it was done better and at a higher level even without those things, and therefore comes short of the standard.

A good portion of the players in the L now wouldnt have made the cut some years ago. Point being, the kids arent forgetting, they have no idea what they're talking about. They'll yell TD>MJ all they want, while they contiune to have their parents were the 169.00 Jordan's, team Jordan's, Carmelo Jordans, etc... asking for them in their video games, and comparing the next young 2 guard to the same one that young man earlier claimed was fading.

[Zer0xray]

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didnt MJ average a triple double in the playoffs once? thats gotta count for somethign

[Bradley21]

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http://www.basketballboards.net/foru...d.php?t=211554


Heh, some of them are saying today's defense in the NBA is better than back when Jordan was in his prime.

Um, no. Players today just can't shoot worth a damn.

Today's defense is better? Not a chance. You don't even need defense to be a play-off contender....Phoenix Suns throw up 110 points a game and don't give a crap about the trap or man to man. There are more free-wheeling NBA teams now that Jordan's day. If anything Jordan would have MORE points than when he played not less. On a team with an All-Star PG and someone in the front court Jordan could easily avg 30ppg.