Bowen is the dirtiest player in the NBA

[garnettrules21]

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when you play really tight D its bound to happen, ive landed on peoples feet before and theyve landed on mine, its just something that happens.

[Graphik]

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He's a hack, what more can you say.....

[RockinDaMike]

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they should fine bowen everytime. Or fine him for every day a player is hurt

[POWERFORWARD]

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I was a defensive specialist (was) and great scorers always whined about being hacked when they lost. They cried about dirty play to the refs, their mamas in the stands threatened me etc etc etc.

Until I played with them then I was the best thing since sliced bread. I did things they couldnt do or wouldnt. They saw I was out to win and my hustle was understood. Scorers need defenders and vice versa.

Bowen CANNOT jump at a shot to block it, LOOKING at the ball, and at the same time WITHOUT LOOKING place his foot exactly in the right spot to sprain a shooters ANKLE. HE cant do all of that WITHOUT MAKING anyother BODY CONTACT.

HE goes for the ball also he is trying to get as close as possible without hitting the shooter. Thats intimidation, the same as great dribblers who put a few moves on you to warn you to stay back.

Ive blocked many shots like this by just stepping into the shooter and raising my hand without jumping. Ufcourse they step on my feet sometimes, but Im trying to block or pervert the shot.

This is a mans game a contact sport not a game of Horse.

[sirjam]

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I have to laugh at this thread... are you guys serious??? or are you joking?

My foot has been landed on tons of times by a jump shooter, doesn't make me dirty... worst of all, they called a foul on him. REDICULOUS!!!...

How come its so hard to call this guy the defensive wizard he is?... cause he's not Wade, or Carmelo, or Lebron??? He isn't a superstar???

That might be true but the way Bowen does it looks intentional. One foot is always way out in front of the other one. Hell the time he closed out on Vince, he was darn near in his shorts. There are other hard nosed defenders that this doesn't happen to. Example have you ever seen Artest's foot get landed on when he is guarding on the perimeter? He is regarded as one of the best defenders in the NBA. Prince, the same question. I didn't get to see the Wade incident yet, but I think there is something to Bowen being dirty.

[Sarah]

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1. Your reasoning is dumb. Offensive player is dirty, therefore it gives Bowen the right to be dirty?

2. There are plenty of good defensive players who intimidate because the offense is worried about their quick hands or their shot blocking ability.

3. Detroit & the Knicks being dirty is not the go ahead, excuse or justification for Bowen's actions.

1) A game of basketball is not a game of morality or being nice. It is a physical game that anything can go wrong whether intentional or not. Every player knew what the risk for playing a physical game is, and they consent to it by signing the doted line. Once the game starts, only the referee can judge the actions of the players in the court for being right or wrong, nice or dirty. If they want somebody to guard them honestly, they can quit playing from the pro and go back playing with thier baby brother under the supervision of thier mom. Don't get me wrong, playing honestly and nice is all good, but we are not in heaven nor are we angels in this world. They call it, "REALITY".

2) Blocking shots is not exactly as easy as raising your hands, great offensive players will definitely innitiate contact for a foul or take advantage of a 3 point play. Great players tend to have an arsenal of moves from attacking the low post to pull up jumpers. Which one they would use is a defenders guess. And if he guess wrong, he will be burnt. And if I am a defender, I don't want to guess. I will isolate the player to an area where his options will be narrowed and he will be predictable. Force him to take jumpers but break his concentration otherwise eventhough you isolated him, if he can shoot the ball, your defense means nothing. And that meant, defend whatever it takes. Does it make Bowen right? No, but his methods keep him in SA's payroll. Great offensive players cannot be stop by mere hands in front of thier faces, and at the SF or SG position, tendency are, they are also great ball handlers.

3) DET and NY where successfull in implementing a dirty defensive strategy, why not adopt the same formula? And as you can see, it has earned SA 3 titles since 1999. You are right it is not an excuse for Bowen to play unethically, but since it has brought him 3 championship rings and a 6 figure paycheck every year plus bonus everytime they win a championship or getting deeper in the playoffs, the blessings outweigh the concept of ethics.


You know, it would not hurt to lead a campaign saying, "no dirty plays in the pro sports". I would not mind supporting that.

[Sarah]

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That might be true but the way Bowen does it looks intentional. One foot is always way out in front of the other one. Hell the time he closed out on Vince, he was darn near in his shorts. There are other hard nosed defenders that this doesn't happen to. Example have you ever seen Artest's foot get landed on when he is guarding on the perimeter? He is regarded as one of the best defenders in the NBA. Prince, the same question. I didn't get to see the Wade incident yet, but I think there is something to Bowen being dirty.

NBA should create a rule that states, "STAY AWAY FROM THE SHOOTER AT LEAST 2 or 3 feet away so he can land safely". That right there should raise the FG percentage problem in the NBA.

[Kashanova]

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I have to laugh at this thread... are you guys serious??? or are you joking?

My foot has been landed on tons of times by a jump shooter, doesn't make me dirty... worst of all, they called a foul on him. REDICULOUS!!!...

How come its so hard to call this guy the defensive wizard he is?... cause he's not Wade, or Carmelo, or Lebron??? He isn't a superstar???

didn't even bother reading an xcell post in a spurs thread we all know what was going to be said

bowen is top 3 defender in the nba dirty or not these players need to stop being wusses man and stop letting bowen get into there head

[X*Cell]

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didn't even bother reading an xcell post in a spurs thread we all know what was going to be said

bowen is top 3 defender in the nba dirty or not these players need to stop being wusses man and stop letting bowen get into there head

lol...

you got my game locked down just like Bowen

[fobbybobby23]

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That might be true but the way Bowen does it looks intentional. One foot is always way out in front of the other one. Hell the time he closed out on Vince, he was darn near in his shorts. There are other hard nosed defenders that this doesn't happen to. Example have you ever seen Artest's foot get landed on when he is guarding on the perimeter? He is regarded as one of the best defenders in the NBA. Prince, the same question. I didn't get to see the Wade incident yet, but I think there is something to Bowen being dirty.

exactly

i could care less if there is contact in bball, and there is

but when it looks intentional like bowen, even worse, a flying karate kick to the face which has occured MORE THAN ONCE, it doesn't seem as if its natural to do that

have you ever kicked anyone in the face, REPEATEDLY, while trying to block someone?

i'm sure plenty of you who play ball have gotten in situations where a player pump fakes and you jump onto them or you try to challenge their shot and you accidently get under them, but it doesn't happen as much as bowen

like sirjam stated, how come guys like prince, iguodala, artest, all good defenders, how come they don't have the same track record as bowen of finding themselves under the offensive player or kicking them in the face

[X*Cell]

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Bruce Bowen averages 4.08 Fouls per 48 minutes in his career. Not even the most of the Bowens of the NBA...

Ryan Bowen averages 5.33

If Bruce is really playing dirty... I think his fouls would add up... this argument might not have the substance of some other arguments... but it is definetely a point in this matter.

[Ice Cream Truck]

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You gotta be kiddin me. How many other great defenders have this kind of problem? There is a difference between tough defense and Bowen-defense. How many players has he injured that way? You guys stand up for him, saying that that’s what happens when you play tough D. But I’m sure there are a lot of other tough defenders that don’t “accidently” do this sh*t.

[BigTigLSU]

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The problem is that in the NBA is that refs call the game based on player's rep. There is a simple rule that the does not get called consistently and is merely based on the proception of the referee of the players involved.

A defender and the offensive has the right to thier space... So when a offensive player dislodges a defender to get a more spce for a shot its a offensive foul.

Example when Shaq backs down a defender and drop steps into the their chest or even their grill it should be a foul but because shaq gets beat up all game refs dont call it. Same as when Karl Malone would use his elbows and knees to create space for his jump shot.

On the other hand, a offensive player, even if they are air born, still has a right to their space and a defender is supposed to give them a place to land, unless the defender was not moving and stationary and that may result in a charge. But in the situation with Bowens. He is bodying a player to force a contested shot but he is still requird to allow a player a place to land. He does to throw off their timing on the shot but it goes past being physical if you are up on a player so close that he has no place to land when he is in mid air. People make the excuse that it is tough defense but its actually illegal but doesnt get called because of his rep. He knowingly does this to great scorers cause you cant score if your ankle is twisted.

[sirjam]

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The problem is that in the NBA is that refs call the game based on player's rep. There is a simple rule that the does not get called consistently and is merely based on the proception of the referee of the players involved.

A defender and the offensive has the right to thier space... So when a offensive player dislodges a defender to get a more spce for a shot its a offensive foul.

Example when Shaq backs down a defender and drop steps into the their chest or even their grill it should be a foul but because shaq gets beat up all game refs dont call it. Same as when Karl Malone would use his elbows and knees to create space for his jump shot.

On the other hand, a offensive player, even if they are air born, still has a right to their space and a defender is supposed to give them a place to land, unless the defender was not moving and stationary and that may result in a charge. But in the situation with Bowens. He is bodying a player to force a contested shot but he is still requird to allow a player a place to land. He does to throw off their timing on the shot but it goes past being physical if you are up on a player so close that he has no place to land when he is in mid air. People make the excuse that it is tough defense but its actually illegal but doesnt get called because of his rep. He knowingly does this to great scorers cause you cant score if your ankle is twisted.

Yep. I wish I could find the vid where Vince shot the ball and Bowen was literally in his shorts and rode vince out of bounds. He didn't get hurt on this one but it sums up the kind of d Bowen plays.

[Sarah]

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like sirjam stated, how come guys like prince, iguodala, artest, all good defenders, how come they don't have the same track record as bowen of finding themselves under the offensive player or kicking them in the face

You are right, they don't have the same track record like Bowen. Bowen has 3 championship rings (I think) and is a nightmare in the playoffs defensively. He shows no RESPECT to any superstars who step in thier backyard which makes him a good defensive player. Defensive players are not all the same. Just because they can defend doesn't mean they can be compared technically or share traits. Some defenders have very quick hands, some uses size and height like Prince, some uses mind games like Rodman, some uses physical contact, some are masters of intimidation like Bowen. Like I said, NBA is a physical game and anything can happen whether it be accidental or intentional.

What do you want the NBA should do? Implement a rule that says "let the offensive player land safely"? Or, if the offensive player take a shot whether attacking the basket or taking a jumper everybody should stay away from him and the defensive player gurding him should make sure he will land safely by placing a hello kitty cushion under his feet?