Bowen is the dirtiest player in the NBA

[X*Cell]

Re: Bowen is the dirtiest player in the NBA

You are right, they don't have the same track record like Bowen. Bowen has 3 championship rings (I think) and is a nightmare in the playoffs defensively. He shows no RESPECT to any superstars who step in thier backyard which makes him a good defensive player. Defensive players are not all the same. Just because they can defend doesn't mean they can be compared technically or share traits. Some defenders have very quick hands, some uses size and height like Prince, some uses mind games like Rodman, some uses physical contact, some are masters of intimidation like Bowen. Like I said, NBA is a physical game and anything can happen whether it be accidental or intentional.

What do you want the NBA should do? Implement a rule that says "let the offensive player land safely"? Or, if the offensive player take a shot whether attacking the basket or taking a jumper everybody should stay away from him and the defensive player gurding him should make sure he will land safely by placing a hello kitty cushion under his feet?

you and your hello kitty comments lol... I like it... especially because i totally agree with you.

[Air23]

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The problem is that in the NBA is that refs call the game based on player's rep. There is a simple rule that the does not get called consistently and is merely based on the proception of the referee of the players involved.

A defender and the offensive has the right to thier space... So when a offensive player dislodges a defender to get a more spce for a shot its a offensive foul.

Example when Shaq backs down a defender and drop steps into the their chest or even their grill it should be a foul but because shaq gets beat up all game refs dont call it. Same as when Karl Malone would use his elbows and knees to create space for his jump shot.

On the other hand, a offensive player, even if they are air born, still has a right to their space and a defender is supposed to give them a place to land, unless the defender was not moving and stationary and that may result in a charge. But in the situation with Bowens. He is bodying a player to force a contested shot but he is still requird to allow a player a place to land. He does to throw off their timing on the shot but it goes past being physical if you are up on a player so close that he has no place to land when he is in mid air. People make the excuse that it is tough defense but its actually illegal but doesnt get called because of his rep. He knowingly does this to great scorers cause you cant score if your ankle is twisted.

Well said.

Someone needs to ride Bowen's chump *** out of bounds the next time he shoots one of his corner 3-pointers.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Just because something is legal, does not make it right. Chop blocks are legal but does that make them right? Is that good blocking or cheap shots? Bowen intentionally steps under the shooter. Whether its legal or not, it is still dirty. It does nothing but @ best, put the offensive player in fear of a sprianed ankle. At its core, its an attempt to injure the opponent's best scorer, not to stop him defensively.

Someone mentioned fouls. Fouls is not an indication of dirty play. John Stockton finished 2nd to Dennis Rodman in player voting as the dirtiest player in the NBA. & he wasn't always in foul trouble.

The comment about player's rep affecting the refs' whistles was dead on.

Edit: One other thing. You avoid dirty play because you don't want the same to happen to you or your best player. Just as McCain said he wants to ban torture because he's mindful of how American POW's can be treated. Does Bowen want someone to retaliate against Tim Duncan?

[bamalam]

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Just because something is legal, does not make it right. Chop blocks are legal but does that make them right? Is that good blocking or cheap shots? Bowen intentionally steps under the shooter. Whether its legal or not, it is still dirty. It does nothing but @ best, put the offensive player in fear of a sprianed ankle. At its core, its an attempt to injure the opponent's best scorer, not to stop him defensively.

Someone mentioned fouls. Fouls is not an indication of dirty play. John Stockton finished 2nd to Dennis Rodman in player voting as the dirtiest player in the NBA. & he wasn't always in foul trouble.

The comment about player's rep affecting the refs' whistles was dead on.

Edit: One other thing. You avoid dirty play because you don't want the same to happen to you or your best player. Just as McCain said he wants to ban torture because he's mindful of how American POW's can be treated. Does Bowen want someone to retaliate against Tim Duncan?

i think stockton was labeled dirty because he set solid, legal off-ball picks on guys and it pissed them off. i watched stockton many yrears, and i dont think he was a dirty player, but he was very physical. big players tend to not like little guys that play physically .

all the players grab and hold and flop, and look for an advantage. bowen is among the best defensively.

off the top of my head;

rip holds defensively.

r wallace hacks across the arms in the post, but thinks he never touches a guy. (see last years finals) he is rarely called for this, and is labeled a good post defender

duncan "hooks" defensive guys with his lead elbow and then shoots.

ai carries the ball q time down court and gives him an advantage over the defense.

mj pushed russell away and hit winning shot for championship vs utah

carmelo gets very physical offensively when he gets frustrated.

they all travel. see ewing

shaq pummels people and gets hacked all game long.

manu flops

b wallace flops

for every complaint about bowen, someone will complain about any other player. you can argue that all these are "dirty" bottom line is if guy is on your team you probably overlook these and downplay them. if he 's on the other team, you exaggerate them.

i personally like to watch bowen because he is working his butt off. i do not believe he is intentionally trying to hurt someone, but it is a physical game. things happen, and players get frustrated.

he is trying to limit the most prolific scorers in bball and its better than watching matador defense that many players seem to have mastered.

i have heard a few players complaints re bowen and some sound like sour grapes.

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[4BiddenKnight]

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i think stockton was labeled dirty because he set solid, legal off-ball picks on guys and it pissed them off. i watched stockton many yrears, and i dont think he was a dirty player, but he was very physical. big players tend to not like little guys that play physically .

all the players grab and hold and flop, and look for an advantage. bowen is among the best defensively.

off the top of my head;

rip holds defensively.

r wallace hacks across the arms in the post, but thinks he never touches a guy. (see last years finals) he is rarely called for this, and is labeled a good post defender

duncan "hooks" defensive guys with his lead elbow and then shoots.

ai carries the ball q time down court and gives him an advantage over the defense.

mj pushed russell away and hit winning shot for championship vs utah

carmelo gets very physical offensively when he gets frustrated.

they all travel. see ewing

shaq pummels people and gets hacked all game long.

manu flops

b wallace flops

for every complaint about bowen, someone will complain about any other player. you can argue that all these are "dirty" bottom line is if guy is on your team you probably overlook these and downplay them. if he 's on the other team, you exaggerate them.

i personally like to watch bowen because he is working his butt off. i do not believe he is intentionally trying to hurt someone, but it is a physical game. things happen, and players get frustrated.

he is trying to limit the most prolific scorers in bball and its better than watching matador defense that many players seem to have mastered.

i have heard a few players complaints re bowen and some sound like sour grapes.

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I don't care how much the other players get away with those travel, double dribble call (see J-Rich and his 360 dunk, he held the ball then dribbled with his left and finished with a 360), but an attempt to INJURE a fu*king player is downright dirty to its extreme. No matter how much Manu gets b*tched about when he does his flop or how much people point their finger at Shaq for his travel with his spin move, nothing comes close to being as worse as what Bowen is doing.

[Mrcabone]

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I'm a 110% sure Bowen is a dirty player,If a player jumps in the air why would you stick your foot underneath him knowing full well he's coming straight down with no where else to land except on your foot,possibly injuring the player.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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i think stockton was labeled dirty because he set solid, legal off-ball picks on guys and it pissed them off. i watched stockton many yrears, and i dont think he was a dirty player, but he was very physical. big players tend to not like little guys that play physically .

all the players grab and hold and flop, and look for an advantage. bowen is among the best defensively.

Once again comprehension is lacking. Stockton was not brought up in order to say he was dirty or not. He was brought up to show fouling is not an indication of dirty play.

You went completely off tangent.

[Pratt75]

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He stepped up to contest the shot, he did not stick his foot under wade intentionally. If you saw the replay how could you even think it was intentional. If you watched the game you also saw him go up to wade to see if he was ok and to tell him it was unintentional. Did anyone hear wade say it was intentional in the press, no.

[RockinDaMike]

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He stepped up to contest the shot, he did not stick his foot under wade intentionally. If you saw the replay how could you even think it was intentional. If you watched the game you also saw him go up to wade to see if he was ok and to tell him it was unintentional. Did anyone hear wade say it was intentional in the press, no.

Wade never says anything that is controversial and is always politically correct on everything he says. Bowen is a master in what he does so of course it doesn't look intentional.

Soon this will be a serious penalty if it happens more and more often. Just like in the NFL when a player leads their helmet into a person. Players were getting hurt. As far as examples of being dirty that was posted eariler, hardly any of those causes a player to get seriously hurt.

When a player is in the air he is very vunerable and its just as bad as someone under cutting you.

[bamalam]

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Once again comprehension is lacking. Stockton was not brought up in order to say he was dirty or not. He was brought up to show fouling is not an indication of dirty play.

You went completely off tangent.

my comprehension is good, but your comments could leave the reader to believe stockton was a dirty player . my tangent thought was to give some input on stockton and my opinion that he was not dirty. tangent posts occur frequently in these threads.

i agree regarding the fouls. merely making an observation re how stockton played vs how players vote. my comments werent directed just to you

[luv_mist]

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Bringing up some of them old threads. Funny stuff cause I was just thinking about Bruce Bruce.

Dirty Spur

[X*Cell]

Re: Bowen is the dirtiest player in the NBA

Best defender in the league. It ain't a foul if it ain't being called. Other defenders can do it also.

But... that's being dirty... other players don't cheat or play dirty.

Tell that to Stephen Jackson

[Muzyk23]

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Best defender in the league. It ain't a foul if it ain't being called. Other defenders can do it also.



Tell that to Stephen Jackson

No, he is not.

[utexas]

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Bowen has always been dirty. How many times does he need to be called on it before something happens.

[TheMax1087]

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Im sorry, but when anyone can do things like this

then he doesnt deserve to be defended. He isnt going for a block at all, he jumped with the express intention of kicking him. Players like him dont deserve to be in the league, and the refs constant protection of him makes the league look like crap.