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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #16
    Re: is it safe to say

    Originally posted by WilliamWilliamson
    I would say the improved defense on the perimeter and the surprising play of Boris Diaw is what has made the Suns as good as they are this year. Boris Diaw is actually a dimension that they didn't have last year. It's not just an improvement, it's something they didn't have last year. I can't wait til we get to see Diaw and Amare playing with each other.
    i agree with the D.. that small lineup has seemed to be able to hold its own.

    as far as diaw playing exceptional.. credit that to nash. and what dimension are you referring to that Diaw has that the suns didn't have last year?

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    • X*Cell
      Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
      • Sep 2002
      • 8107

      #17
      Re: is it safe to say

      eFG% ((FG + (0.5 x 3's))/(FGA)

      Chauncey Billups - .533
      Steve Nash - .520

      Assists to Turnovers Ratio

      Chauncey Billups - 4.73
      Steve Nash - 2.58



      Chauncey Billups wins that...

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      • Flyboy
        Daydream Believer
        • Jun 2003
        • 11352

        #18
        Re: is it safe to say

        I'd take Billups over Nash more than 9 times out of 10.
        Originally posted by EWRMETS
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        • Sarah
          MVP
          • May 2003
          • 2609

          #19
          Re: is it safe to say

          I would say Chauncey Billups. I think he is harder to defend than Nash because he is stronger plus it is also difficult to score against him.

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          • Gilateen
            Banned
            • Oct 2002
            • 2855

            #20
            Re: is it safe to say

            Originally posted by Sarah
            I would say Chauncey Billups. I think he is harder to defend than Nash because he is stronger plus it is also difficult to score against him.
            Yep...

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            • Vince
              Bow for Bau
              • Aug 2002
              • 26017

              #21
              Re: is it safe to say

              Originally posted by Sarah
              I would say Chauncey Billups. I think he is harder to defend than Nash because he is stronger plus it is also difficult to score against him.
              Nash is a 50 % FG shooter. This guy could average 20 ppg if he wanted to.
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              • X*Cell
                Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                • Sep 2002
                • 8107

                #22
                Re: is it safe to say

                Originally posted by xcelldarim31
                eFG% ((FG + (0.5 x 3's))/(FGA)

                Chauncey Billups - .533
                Steve Nash - .520

                Assists to Turnovers Ratio

                Chauncey Billups - 4.73
                Steve Nash - 2.58



                Chauncey Billups wins that...

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                Points Created per game

                Billups - 38.2
                Nash - 36.6

                Points Created per 48 Minutes

                Billups - 52.8
                Nash - 49.0

                Foul Index

                Billups - 19.44
                Nash - 15.57



                Billups wins 5-0

                (but they both have stellar numbers)
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                • X*Cell
                  Collab: xcellnoah@gmail
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 8107

                  #23
                  Re: is it safe to say

                  wait... 5 to 1...

                  Win-Weight

                  Billups - 22.0
                  Nash - 25.9

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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #24
                    Re: is it safe to say

                    Honestly, they are about equals. Chaunc' with an eff rating of 21.8, Nash with 21.5. I still take Nash though.
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                    • WilliamWilliamson
                      Pro
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 690

                      #25
                      Re: is it safe to say

                      Originally posted by Vinceanity2k3
                      Honestly, they are about equals. Chaunc' with an eff rating of 21.8, Nash with 21.5. I still take Nash though.
                      What an efficiency rating can't factor in is good defense. Sure, it can take into account steals and blocks but it doesn't do the defense justice. Billups is 10X better defensively.

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #26
                        Re: is it safe to say

                        stats aren't the end all and be all.....

                        but you put nash on the pistons and he has simliar numbers.

                        you have a healthy amare.. and he has similar numbers.

                        bottom line is that billups may be have a better season (although not even by that much), but nash is a game changer.

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                        • nkhera1
                          All Star
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 5913

                          #27
                          Re: is it safe to say

                          Both are great players but lets not forget that the Suns lost 3/5 of thier starting lineup and have had significant injuries which really affects the Suns because they focus all of their attention on Steve Nash. As of now Billups may not even be the biggest offensive threat on the team.
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                          • Kruza
                            Mainstream Outlaw
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 6285

                            #28
                            Re: is it safe to say

                            Both Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash are about equal now if we're discussing best PG in the league. The difference offensively is that Billups is more versatile because he can call his own number and post up smaller guards for scoring. But Billups also has trouble finishing layups from time to time in cases he doesn't draw a foul while Nash doesn't really have that problem. And Nash is still a better passer despite Billups improvement in his assist numbers. Can't go wrong with choosing either one to run a team. It mainly depends on pace and makeup of the team on which way to go. Running a primarily up-tempo open-court offense with a team full of athletes favors Nash. Meanwhile running a more structured halfcourt offense that emphasize post play favors Billups.

                            However, defensively it isn't that close. Nash gets abused in the post on a regular basis. His teammates have to help him out way too much whenever he gets backed down. Billups has trouble keeping smaller, quicker guards in front of him. He gets beat with the dribble penetration, but not as often as Nash gets beat in the post.

                            Kruza

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                            • EWRMETS
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 7491

                              #29
                              Re: is it safe to say

                              I might be wrong but I still think that Jason Kidd and Steve Nash are better. If you traded Kidd for Billups, I don't think the Pistons would have a drop off but the Nets would certaintly be worse. Similarily, if you trade Nash for Billups, I don't think Pistons would be worse but I don't see the Suns being nearly as competitive as they are now.

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                              • WilliamWilliamson
                                Pro
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 690

                                #30
                                Re: is it safe to say

                                Originally posted by EWRMETS
                                I might be wrong but I still think that Jason Kidd and Steve Nash are better. If you traded Kidd for Billups, I don't think the Pistons would have a drop off but the Nets would certaintly be worse. Similarily, if you trade Nash for Billups, I don't think Pistons would be worse but I don't see the Suns being nearly as competitive as they are now.
                                They'd really miss Billups' perimeter shooting and ability to take over a game when he has to. Also, at this point in Kidd's career, he's not the defender that Billups is.

                                Billups is exactly what the Pistons need, they've done a great job molding him and Joe Dumars did a great job assembling that team. He's the league's premier PG, no doubt in my mind. Steve Nash might get the press, Chauncey Billups gets the wins.

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