Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?
If basketball is based on individuals, and the Lakers won three championships, then individually, I'd have to give the rings to Shaq.
I don't know where all of these football and baseball analogies came from... fact of the matter is, Kobe hasn't won a championship by himself as an individual. He's played with (arguably) the best center to ever play the sport. Obviously he was a huge factor in winning the championships... but he practically had rings handed to him since he was a rookie. All he had to do was become a top guard in the game, and it was his... due to Shaq being on his team.
TMac has yet to be on a team that's even close to championship caliber. The Kobe winning championships thing is very impressive... and it's something that TMac hasn't done... but it would be comparable to saying Kevin Garnett isn't on Rasheed Wallace's level because he hasn't won a title, just because Rasheed is a top forward on a championship team.
[sarcasm]You're absolutely right, TMac doesn't really care about winning.
He just goes out there and plays... and whatever happens, happens. He's making his money, what does it matter if he wins or loses? That's one thing that's always bothered me about TMac, he doesn't care at all.[/sarcasm]
This killer instinct/dagger in the heart/clutchtastic argument is tired. Yes, Kobe wants to win... yes, Kobe likes taking shots at the end of the game... and yes, Kobe has hit a lot of game winners.
Kobe can win games by himself... but he often loses games by himself by overshooting and making bad decisions.
TMac, like Lebron, is a much more logical thinker than Kobe. Kobe plays off his emotions. If he doesn't like the score, he's going to do something about it, Rambo style, firing away. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires.
TMac is much more calculating. He utilizes teammates, fits in an offense, and isn't afraid to let someone else take the last shot if it's a much better one than he has.
I'll take thought-out logic and teamwork over fiery and sometime out of control single-minded emotions any day.
And I think I'm done with this Kobe/TMac talk. I really don't think many of you have seen TMac play when he was in Orlando and only a few times while he was on the Rockets.
The "TMac not even in the same breath as Kobe" thing is ridiculous. If someone makes a good argument at any point of this thread, I'll respond. If not, you guys can keep going in these robotic, repetitive circles.
Originally posted by blackceasar
I don't know where all of these football and baseball analogies came from... fact of the matter is, Kobe hasn't won a championship by himself as an individual. He's played with (arguably) the best center to ever play the sport. Obviously he was a huge factor in winning the championships... but he practically had rings handed to him since he was a rookie. All he had to do was become a top guard in the game, and it was his... due to Shaq being on his team.
TMac has yet to be on a team that's even close to championship caliber. The Kobe winning championships thing is very impressive... and it's something that TMac hasn't done... but it would be comparable to saying Kevin Garnett isn't on Rasheed Wallace's level because he hasn't won a title, just because Rasheed is a top forward on a championship team.
As far as T-Mac being a better this, a better that, and having these so called "intangibles" that you speak of I can tell you one thing Kobe is that TMac is not, and in my book its the most important thing.. Kobe is a Winner. What has Tmac won? Who cares about regular season games. Sure he took a lousy team and made it better but he still hasnt done enough to IMO be mentioend in the same breath as Kobe.
He just goes out there and plays... and whatever happens, happens. He's making his money, what does it matter if he wins or loses? That's one thing that's always bothered me about TMac, he doesn't care at all.[/sarcasm]
If anything Kobe is the one with the intagibles. Kobe knows how to finish an oposing team off and he does this better than anyone in the history of the NBA only 2nd to MJ himself. to me THATS the intagible. Like I said in my previous post. Tmac and drop 40, Kobe can drop 40. Both can win that game but team tmac beats feels like they lost a game. The teams Kobe drops 40 on feels like he put a dagger in thier heart. Its not how you score, its when you score and Kobe has a nack for demoralizing an opposing team with his style of play. When he makes his shots during a game, when a team is trying to rally back and have a sense of hope.. Kobe slams the door shut on them. This is somethine T-Mac doesnt do. They both can dunk on anyone, they are both altheticly gifted out of this world but like i said. Tmac is a great player, Kobe is a special player. I personally dont like Kobe but it is what it is.
Kobe can win games by himself... but he often loses games by himself by overshooting and making bad decisions.
TMac, like Lebron, is a much more logical thinker than Kobe. Kobe plays off his emotions. If he doesn't like the score, he's going to do something about it, Rambo style, firing away. Sometimes it works, sometimes it backfires.
TMac is much more calculating. He utilizes teammates, fits in an offense, and isn't afraid to let someone else take the last shot if it's a much better one than he has.
I'll take thought-out logic and teamwork over fiery and sometime out of control single-minded emotions any day.
And I think I'm done with this Kobe/TMac talk. I really don't think many of you have seen TMac play when he was in Orlando and only a few times while he was on the Rockets.
The "TMac not even in the same breath as Kobe" thing is ridiculous. If someone makes a good argument at any point of this thread, I'll respond. If not, you guys can keep going in these robotic, repetitive circles.
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