Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

[Kashanova]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

T-mac is a good overal player but Kobe is better.

Kobe vs tmac shooting: Kobe wins
Kobe vs tmac passing: tie?
Kobe vs tmac driving to the hoop: Kobe
Kobe vs tmac 3pt: Kobe
Kobe vs Tmac killer instinct: Kobe
Kobe vs Tmac team leader: tie mabye? After this seaon is over we will find out.
Kobe vs Tmac defense: Kobe
Kobe vs Tmac rebounding: Prob Tmac

for all the discussions involving bulls vs lakers vs rockets its pretty irrellavant you really can't compare eras....which team would phil coach the bulls or lakers lol

that seems bias to me

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

Where did this come from? I shouldn't even respond to this, because it doesn't really have much to do with anything... but I will.

Kobe missed 16 games (TMac's missed 14)
Odom played 64 games (so... 18 missed, compared to Yao's 21 and counting)
No one expected Vlade Divac to even play last year.
George is a bench player. You had Caron Butler starting.
Your coach quit because of Kobe Bryant (don't bother responding to that, I already know what you'll say.)

Kobe missed 16 games and had plantar fasciities for a good duration of the season. This is about equivalent to T-Mac missing 14 games and his current back issues.

Odom the final 18 games of the season (lakers went something like 2-16), which is about equivalent to Yao's 21 missed games.

I for one expected Vlade Divac to play last season, as did many others. He didn't get hurt until training camp. He ended up missing basically the entire season. He was supposed to be the Lakers starting center, but we had to throw Chris MIhm in there instead. This is almost as equivalent to Bobby Sura's injury.

Brian Grant was suppose to be our starting power forward, but he ended up being injured for the majority of the season. He was only able to start 8 games for us and could never go for more than 20 minutes. This forced us to play Lamar Odom at the power forward position against the Western elite. This is equivalent to Rafer's injury.

Deveon George, one of the Lakers best bench players, missed 67 games. He was the only other guy, besides Kobe, to have played in the Triangle for more than 3 years. This is equivalent to Jon Barry's injury.

On top of all this, the coach had to leave the team in the middle of the season, when quite frankly, the Lakers were at there high point. They had their best record of the season, were in 6th place, and had gone 1-1 with Kobe injured. I'd put money on the fact that he didn't leave because of team issues.

[Mofasa]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

^ this is exactly why i didn't bother respoding cause I knew some one else will call you on your BS.

[Kashanova]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

i think last year if the lakers didn't have injuries they still would of not made the playoffs

[triplej96]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

that seems bias to me

Seems bias to me your avatar is Houston Rockets logo.. lol

[Brankles]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

Kobe missed 16 games and had plantar fasciities for a good duration of the season. This is about equivalent to T-Mac missing 14 games and his current back issues.

Odom the final 18 games of the season (lakers went something like 2-16), which is about equivalent to Yao's 21 missed games.

I for one expected Vlade Divac to play last season, as did many others. He didn't get hurt until training camp. He ended up missing basically the entire season. He was supposed to be the Lakers starting center, but we had to throw Chris MIhm in there instead. This is almost as equivalent to Bobby Sura's injury.

Brian Grant was suppose to be our starting power forward, but he ended up being injured for the majority of the season. He was only able to start 8 games for us and could never go for more than 20 minutes. This forced us to play Lamar Odom at the power forward position against the Western elite. This is equivalent to Rafer's injury.

Deveon George, one of the Lakers best bench players, missed 67 games. He was the only other guy, besides Kobe, to have played in the Triangle for more than 3 years. This is equivalent to Jon Barry's injury.

On top of all this, the coach had to leave the team in the middle of the season, when quite frankly, the Lakers were at there high point. They had their best record of the season, were in 6th place, and had gone 1-1 with Kobe injured. I'd put money on the fact that he didn't leave because of team issues.

Good post.

I was just playing Devil's advocate on the last one. Mofasa didn't even know how to respond to a post that was practically handed to him. (lmao at his response below). Like I said earlier, I was responding to some clown that said TMac couldn't win with Yao when they've played like 12 games together this year.

The Lakers definitely had injuries last year... but a lot of people (myself included) expected the Lakers to do better than they did.


Also, I dunno if I would compare Bob Sura to a 376 year old Divac, Jon Barry to Devean George or Yao Ming to Lamar Odom, as I think each of the Rockets player is more valuable to his team... but I can understand your point.


I still think the Rockets have it worse off than the Lakers did last year... and their record shows. It's only halfway through the season, too. It can only get worse (injury #'s wise) from here.

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

Good post.

I was just playing Devil's advocate on the last one. Mofasa didn't even know how to respond to a post that was practically handed to him. (lmao at his response below). Like I said earlier, I was responding to some clown that said TMac couldn't win with Yao when they've played like 12 games together this year.

The Lakers definitely had injuries last year... but a lot of people (myself included) expected the Lakers to do better than they did.


Also, I dunno if I would compare Bob Sura to a 376 year old Divac, Jon Barry to Devean George or Yao Ming to Lamar Odom, as I think each of the Rockets player is more valuable to his team... but I can understand your point.


I still think the Rockets have it worse off than the Lakers did last year... and their record shows. It's only halfway through the season, too. It can only get worse (injury #'s wise) from here.

Personally, I don't think it's fair judging Kobe Bryant as a player/leader based soley on last season. If he continues to have similar results 4-5 years down the line, then something can be said about it. Likewise, I don't think it's fair to judge T-Mac as a player/leader based soley on his last season in Orlando (he did get them to the playoffs before) or on this season (Houston made the playoffs last year).

[Brankles]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

Personally, I don't think it's fair judging Kobe Bryant as a player/leader based soley on last season. If he continues to have similar results 4-5 years down the line, then something can be said about it. Likewise, I don't think it's fair to judge T-Mac as a player/leader based soley on his last season in Orlando (he did get them to the playoffs before) or on this season (Houston made the playoffs last year).

I don't think it's fair either. I don't judge a player on one season in his career.

Years of watching TMac (good and bad) and years of watching Kobe (rings and lotto picks) have allowed me to make what I think is a valid judgement of each player.

Kobe is doing exactly what I thought he'd do on the Lakers, except with a slightly better record. No doubt he is uber-talented.

[Mofasa]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

I don't think it's fair either. I don't judge a player on one season in his career.

Years of watching TMac (good and bad) and years of watching Kobe (rings and lotto picks) have allowed me to make what I think is a valid judgement of each player.

Kobe is doing exactly what I thought he'd do on the Lakers, except with a slightly better record. No doubt he is uber-talented

you know whats bad you guys try to rile up stuff when you know better and that post didn't deserve a response cause you of all people know better, Ive seen you post you try to be fair most times then just go off because you feel the 'need to balance things out' so to speak.

its really unecessary just chill out and say what you think, cause why would you post that knowing it to be false or inaccurate? It makes no sense, i didn't reply cause you know the truth, everyone does (whether they admit it or not), and thats the important thing.

[Brankles]

Re: Who is the better overall player, Kobe or T-Mac?

you know whats bad you guys try to rile up stuff when you know better and that post didn't deserve a response cause you of all people know better, Ive seen you post you try to be fair most times then just go off because you feel the 'need to balance things out' so to speak.

its really unecessary just chill out and say what you think, cause why would you post that knowing it to be false or inaccurate? It makes no sense, i didn't reply cause you know the truth, everyone does (whether they admit it or not), and thats the important thing.

To quote yourself...

you really showed me..... imma gonna cry now

You haven't added a thing to this topic. I'm done with you.