Why are people so down on Yao?

[platic]

Yao's points, rebounds, and blocks this year are on par with Shaq's. But while Shaq's career is on the downhill slide, Yao is very clearly on his way up. Notice, for example, that:

Yao's scoring has gone up every single year he's been in the league.

Yao's FG% has gone up in 3 out of 4 years he's been on the league.

Yao's blocks have gone up in 3 out of 4 years he's been on the league.

Yao's Winning % has gone up every single year he's been on the league. (excluding Rockets games he didn't play)

Yao's rebounds have gone up in 3 out of 4 years he's been on the league. And if Jeff Van Gundy didn't have Yao setting screens at the top of the key every single play the Rockets run, he'd be grabbing at least 11 or 12 rebounds every night.

This year, Yao is averaging a career best 20.2 ppg and 9.6 rpg. Since his stats have been improving every year, it's fair to say that we haven't seen the best from him yet.

So why are people so quick to put down this guy? It's become fashionable for so-called sports writers to leave out Yao Ming on their personal All-Star lists. But I'm quite sure that if you re-do the 2002 draft all over again, Yao will still go #1 overall. Amare may be the better player, but star power forwards are a dime a dozen. There are at least half a dozen PFs that are just as good or better than Amare right now. A star center, on the other hand, hasn't been drafted into the league since Shaq & Alonzo some 14 odd years ago.

[Rocky]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

I saw on Sportscenter that he's been averaging something like 23.6 PPG and 12 RPG since his return from injury. He def. may be the best center in the NBA today.

[Tilted Brim]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

I saw on Sportscenter that he's been averaging something like 23.6 PPG and 12 RPG since his return from injury. He def. may be the best center in the NBA today.

Theres a champion center in Detroit along with several other fans that would be quick to disagree, I'm being the first. However he's making the right strides yes.............

[dieselboy]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Plus people forget he is still only 25 years old.

I think a lot of people have been down on because of how big the hype was. I remember people were saying when he was coming into the league that he would be one of the best passing centers in the league, and would average like five assists, and I also remember hearing that he could score from anywhere on the court, including from beyond the arc.

[Kashanova]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Theres a champion center in Detroit along with several other fans that would be quick to disagree, I'm being the first. However he's making the right strides yes.............

that center isn't a what you call a kareem abdul jabbar on the offensive side either

[poster]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

that center isn't a what you call a kareem abdul jabbar on the offensive side either

He surely isn't, but the way he played yesterday shows how he can impact a game without scoring. He was amazing yesterday with 11 points, 19 boards, 5 blocks, and 4 steals. Any big man would kill for a game like that. He does it on a consistant basis.

[Streets]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

He surely isn't, but the way he played yesterday shows how he can impact a game without scoring. He was amazing yesterday with 11 points, 19 boards, 5 blocks, and 4 steals. Any big man would kill for a game like that. He does it on a consistant basis.

I was shocked to read that he does that on a consistent basis. I don't know what your definition of consistent is, but I'd say one's averages are a good indication of what one does on a nightly basis, more or less.

11 points? Naw, not even 10 a game. 7.9 is actually what he'll give you.

19 boards!? He'd have the rebounding title locked up this year if that was the case, but he is still boasting an impressive 12.3.

5 blocks?? Nope, again, only 2.31.

And his 4 steals is more like 1.17.

So I would say that this game is not a good inidcation of what Ben does everynight, his season averages are. And while he's putting up good numbers, I would not call the guy the best C in the league.

[Rocky]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Theres a champion center in Detroit along with several other fans that would be quick to disagree, I'm being the first. However he's making the right strides yes.............

I said MAY be and Ben Wallace kinda doesn't strike me as a true center. Wallace is still definately a beast tho.

[BigTigLSU]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Yao Ming will be the next Rik Smits which isnt bad but it isnt what people expect of him. There are good Centers Like Smits, Brad Daughty (sp), even David Robinson depending on who you ask, and then there are legendary centers the Wilts, Hakeems, kareems and Shaqs of the world. Yao may have the stats and a nice game but he isnt making the impact on the game that legendary centers made.

[BAMJ6]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Maybe it was because of all the hype, yet he lost to Amare in ROY.

[poster]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

I was shocked to read that he does that on a consistent basis. I don't know what your definition of consistent is, but I'd say one's averages are a good indication of what one does on a nightly basis, more or less.

11 points? Naw, not even 10 a game. 7.9 is actually what he'll give you.

19 boards!? He'd have the rebounding title locked up this year if that was the case, but he is still boasting an impressive 12.3.

5 blocks?? Nope, again, only 2.31.

And his 4 steals is more like 1.17.

So I would say that this game is not a good inidcation of what Ben does everynight, his season averages are. And while he's putting up good numbers, I would not call the guy the best C in the league.

It's sad that you turned this thread into this. What I meant and you know it, is that he has monster stat games like this often. And I never said he was the best C in the league. Do I even have to answer that question? You could argue either way on who is better Yao or Ben. I know who I want and that's a proven DPOY and champion who I can count on during the money season, but that wasnt the intent of my post.

[Streets]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

It's sad that you turned this thread into this. What I meant and you know it, is that he has monster stat games like this often. And I never said he was the best C in the league. Do I even have to answer that question? You could argue either way on who is better Yao or Ben. I know who I want and that's a proven DPOY and champion who I can count on during the money season, but that wasnt the intent of my post.

Yeah, but for every MONSTER game he has, his stats say that he has very sub par ones, or else his averages would be higher.

Yao: 20.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.2 apg, .51 spg, 1.54 bpg, 50% FG % 83% FT in 33.5 mpg

Ben: 7.9 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 2.1 apg, 1.71 spg, 2.31 bpg, 50% FG, 46% FT

The significant differences are the points and FT%, every other category, Ben's stats are barely higher, rebounding being the biggest difference (2.7 more).

Ben is an anomoly in that noone plays D anymore, and he's arguably the best at it, but he is still very one dimensional. He can afford to be a liability on offense in the system he's in, but he wouldnt excell as well as he is on other teams.

[Gilateen]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

He can afford to be a liability on offense in the system he's in, but he wouldnt excell as well as he is on other teams.

Yep.

[poster]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Every GM in the league would love to have a Ben Wallace type player. Are you saying his offensive liability (which clearly exists) would prevent him from being successful on the defensive end elsewhere? Can you explain how that would be true. He would start on every team in this league at PF or C.

[poster]

Re: Why are people so down on Yao?

Yeah, but for every MONSTER game he has, his stats say that he has very sub par ones, or else his averages would be higher.

Yao: 20.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.2 apg, .51 spg, 1.54 bpg, 50% FG % 83% FT in 33.5 mpg

Ben: 7.9 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 2.1 apg, 1.71 spg, 2.31 bpg, 50% FG, 46% FT

The significant differences are the points and FT%, every other category, Ben's stats are barely higher, rebounding being the biggest difference (2.7 more).

Ben is an anomoly in that noone plays D anymore, and he's arguably the best at it, but he is still very one dimensional. He can afford to be a liability on offense in the system he's in, but he wouldnt excell as well as he is on other teams.

Like Yao's 0 rebound game against the smallest frontline in the league. Is that why you are arguing with me. Why didn't you just do it in that thread?