Why Do Peeps Want "Freestyle Control" In Every Basketball Game?

[arenas809]

I have Live 2003 and know the affect "freestyle control" has on that game...its definitely a revolutionary idea, but I find it ridiculous to want it in every game. Everyone has to understand Live is a more flashy game, all the moves that you see in a quarter of Live are equivalent to the # moves you'd see in a real, whole game. If you actually watch ball, yes there are some sick moves, but most guys get by their defenders just from being quicker or stronger than them, going off screens, cutting to the basket, etc. not by performing 30 crossovers, and then 10 spins to get to the basket....2K3 and ID are more sim like, and really shouldn't try to implement flashy moves. 2K3 and ID definitely could use more moves, and please get rid of the force field D (2K3).

If anything I'd like to see more flashy finishes at the basket, if needed. I say if needed because in Live your guy can have a wide open layup and rather than just laying it in, they do like a scoop where they switch the ball from one hand to the other.

I'm seeing this request also for the college games, and that's more ridiculous. College ball is not NBA, obviously there are star players, but college ball is based on playing as a team, not 1 on 1 play.

Fact, Live came up with the innovative freestyle control, and it's gona stay that way, I do expect to see some better moves in 2K4, but I doubt they will bite the freestyle control idea...games have to stay true to themselves, and 2K4 and ID will...

[grtwhtsk]

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Well said Arenas. I agree with you totally.

[SoMiss2000]

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I agree, I don't want to see freestyle in ID 2004, I'd like to see more moves with button combinations. Also, I'd like it if they didn't make you have to use EVERY FRIGGIN button on the XBOX controller. Sometimes it hard for me to use the blk/white button on the fly!

[mateen]

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I want freestyle control in NFL games, so I can whip out a Sharpie and sign the ball.

Naw, I hear ya Arenas. It's like saying, "I love Big Macs, but I like going to Wendy's for Frostys. Why can't McDonalds just have Frostys?"

[neovsmatrix]

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Sorry, I disagree. Freestyle's very innovative, and it can be refined. All three franchises could borrow from the concept and improve upon it. What's so bad about that?

I actually am very impressed with the implementation of Live's freestyle control. However, I'm disappointed that the game just does not resemble a real NBA game. Live 2000 was way better, not because it didn't have freestyle control, but because its AI was better. Oh yeah, and the sticky defense in Live has got to go. No game has gotten it right, but ID 2003 is closest in replicating the drive to the basket, IMHO.

By the way, if you play on superstar level in NBA Live 2003, if you DO abuse freestyle, you'll pay for it more often than not. Dribbling into traffic, playing recklessly, that stuff is penalized in NBA Live 2003 on superstar. On other levels, your argument may be valid, but on superstar level, it's invalid, IMHO. The freestyle control is effective, and I think it's more realistic to dribble up the court using it, especially if the D is intense. NBA Live 2003 on superstar level, seems to do a good job with this. Of course, I'm still new to the game and maybe if I get more familiar with this, I'll find the defensive AI to be a pushover, but that's not the case right now.

Freestyle control can be used to ENHANCE realism, and that's the basic purpose for any sports sim. To be a more realistic representation of the game in question. By the way, I have to say, I really like the fact that in NBA Live 2003, defenders will meet you at the halfcourt line, or put a lot of pressure on the ball. Dribbling your way through that is very cool, and it makes it tougher for a big man to dribble up the court this way since they don't do crossovers well.

I want to see freestyle control implemented in an actual sim. NBA Live is not that, unfortunately. ID 2003 is. It would be great to see the fundamentals of basketball blended with the flashier aspects of the game, and that is why freestyle control would be better served in a game like ID 2003 than in NBA Live. Obviously, a direct interpretation of freestyle control in ID 2003 would be no good, but the control scheme can always be refined to suit the purposes of the game in question.

[CheckMate]

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I'd love to see freestlye implemented in all of my future basketball game purchases.

[Wjkporter]

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I don't like freestyle control. Freestyle is all about one no one basketball. Basketball is a team game but, all you see you or the dunks, The (carry) crossovers. Sure all that is great but is your team winning ask Kobe without shaq. However, look at what Jason Kidd has done for the nets.... Thats Basketball

[Graphik]

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what the hell does Shaq, Kobe, and J. Kidd gotta do with feestyle control?
In all honesty I like the feestyle control, its very inovative and basketball is alot about isolation and one on one plays sometimes.
And Neo summed it up best. I tired of typing

[dave41082]

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I have not used freestyle control, but it seems like a great idea. I want complete control over my players. However, I want the most realistic game possible so they just need to make sure you can't go crazy on freestyle without consequences.

[CheckMate]

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If you actually watch ball, yes there are some sick moves, but most guys get by their defenders just from being quicker or stronger than them, going off screens, cutting to the basket, etc. not by performing 30 crossovers, and then 10 spins to get to the basket....

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This is not what freestyle control is about. It is about using which ever hand I want to cross the ball over. It is about spinning in whichever direction I want to. In fact, the crossovers aren't even the best part of freestyle control to me. The number of moves that I can perform in the post is astounding, yet I never hear anyone of the people who don't favor freestyle control talk about this aspect of the game. When you play on the hardest level of Live, you have to know how and when to do the specific freestyle moves, given the situation and the defense.

I've heard Dicky V talk about the "triple-threat" position numerous times during his telecasts--freestlye has that. Players jab-stepping, post players extending the ball away from the defender or above their head away from the double-team. Switching between posting up and facing-up the defender--it's all in freestyle.

The majority of the complainers I've seen on this board (and others) remind me of the two typical types of people who play fighting games--those who mash the buttons and whatever happens, happens; and those who take the time to learn the moves and use them within the context of the game.

If more people learned how to use freestyle, more people would realize the realism that it actually brings to the game.

Freestyle Move List

[deadman]

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Freestyle is a nice addition to basketball titles. I think it should be toned down to fit better into the flow of the game. At the current state I consider it similar to when turbo was introduced into the games. An easy mechanism to score. They tweak it and make it work into the flow, it is a great enhancement that captures the feel of the game.

[timotim19]

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NBA Live is not an arcade game because of "Free-Style", without it would be an arcade game.

I dont see why cats like VC cant take that same concept and make it sim-like moves instead.

[mateen]

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Because it's copyright infringement.

[Graphik]

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Unless they call it something else.

[mateen]

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EA may have a patent though, you never know. I thought I heard something about it when Live first came out. A commercial saying something like, "EA's patented Freestyle Control -- you can use the right analog stick."

Maybe they were just blowing smoke like they usually do.