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Re: Like Mike, Only Better
This one here is hardly quality Psy.
At least make one valid argument.
Using the column to call a guy a cheater.
I guess she cared not to mention the rape trial, or the snitching incidents.
Her article is so full of holes that they must be gawking and getting a hard on to write a "he's better" story.Comment
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Re: Like Mike, Only Better
Oh yes. Have always enjoyed your posts Psy, especially throughout last years playoffs.
I was just pointing out some swiss cheese flaws in her article. This flavor of the week stuff has gone rock bottom.Comment
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Wait...yes she talked about Jordan but Kobe's personality also...how did you read the article?
She never made it into a "whose the better man." she simply said that some people will never give Kobe his due because of what they think of him...that is all. Also the fact that she even mentions Jordan's husbands qualities, basically means she is recognizing Kobe's. So I don't see where she just attacked Jordan personally like that.Kobe can't please anyone. And it doesn't help that most people suffer from revisionist history when it comes to Jordan, forgetting that he was just <b>as</b> poor a teammate and a ball hog and that he ran off coach Doug Collins like Kobe ran off Phil Jackson the first time.
In fact, you could argue that Jordan was even worse. Far as we know, Kobe hasn't jacked up any of his teammates the way Jordan punched out Steve Kerr and Will Perdue at practice.
Kobe will never be forgiven for Shaq's departure, but you're delusional if you think Jordan wouldn't have had any ego issues playing alongside a player with Shaq's star power.
The best-player argument shouldn't be determined by personal dislike. But if you want to take it there, fine. Jordan was hardly the ideal husband, but only the tabloids were brave enough to venture into his personal life. And what about those gambling issues? If Jordan's life had been covered like Kobe's, we would have an entirely different opinion of His Airness.Last edited by Leahmic223; 03-26-2007, 11:39 PM.Comment
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Re: Like Mike, Only Better
His due for what? Being better than Jordan? She wants to throw emotion into it, and then bring up one mans dirty laundry and not the others?
Get out of here. She is a writer devoid of facts and was simply allowed by ESPN to publicly hang herself writing this story.Comment
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I want to see another writer call her *** out on this. Wilbon or Scoop or someone.Comment
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I'll say it again, I wish Ralph Wiley was still here.Comment
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No, not his due for being better than Jordan. But you know there are people out there that dislike Kobe's personality, and then go trashing his game. Yet they praise other players game, and those guys could be worse personality wise.
That is all that was about.
She didn't need to bring up Kob'e rape case. Because mentioning Jordan cheating on his wife, automatically gets the reader to think about Kobe...
She was comparing them, so in that case all she needed to do was bring up what Jordan did. Fighting with teammates, running away coaches, cheaitng on wife...and she never had to mention Kobe in any of that to get the reader to think about and compare it to Kobe.
Everyone knows Kobe's dirty laundry, which she mentions later in the article. Plus obviously she got the reader(you) to compare Jordan's issues with Kobe's, since you did in a earlier post.Comment
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Re: Like Mike, Only Better
She makes some good points (similar on court antics and off the court behavior, Kobe's skill set) but she also makes some really poor ones as well (MJ played in a poorer talent pool era???VC and Tmac may be athletic but they aren't very good defenders). She also ignored the role that the rule changes recently have had on the added difficulty to stop offensive players, rules that didn't exist in MJ's era.
Also Kobe did give Samaki Walker a bruise under one of his eyes a few years back after Samaki was allegedly ribbing him a little to much on the team bus so he is not above clocking teammates.
The NBA's/Media's thirst for "Rambo" (One man Army) mentality players is both ignorant and contradictory to what they claim they don't want their players to be......selfish. I feel Lebron James gets routinely beat down by the sports media by not being more selfish. I don't believe I've seen a player get more criticized for making smart basketball plays (drawing the d and passing it to the open man) rather than shooting the ball himself. I don't get it sometimes.EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.Comment
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Re: Like Mike, Only Better
Point being, its misguided and poor journalism. It's a prop and an excuse if you call youself being objective in a comparison. Even in that she failed to make a valid point.
Now as far as Kobe's game, besides Kash, people don't say he sucks or whatever blah blah.
Kobe is already a HOF player, top player in the league, yet there are those who claim to be his fans who won't allow Kobe to be Kobe without throwing in a reference to an all time great when he has NOT in fact achieved that status.
Kobe is fun to watch win or lose, but his fanatic fans are the worst kind. Won't even hold him responsible, they are apologist from the suns rising to the going down, and this is when you have people come in to abase their simple minds.
For the life of me, why people cannot just let Kobe be Kobe and enjoy what he does is beyond me. You don't see Wade fans claiming insta-legend status after a great game, or calling him the greatest ever when he won that finals MVP.
There is a lineof reality, and too many fanatics cross it into myopic land.
From John Holingers chat
J (Milwaukee): Why are there so many Kobe haters out there? Why can't people just acknowledge what an amazing run this has been?
John Hollinger: Here's the deal -- every time I do a chat after he has a good game, or in this case several of them, I'm inundated with people wanting to compare him to Jordan and hand him the MVP and what not. Inevitably I pull one of those questions and feel compelled to point out why, no, actually that isn't true. I'd ignore them entirely except I get the impression a lot of casual fans are following the same line of thinking.
John Hollinger: And on that note, I need to step away from the keyboard. Tune back in next week at the same time, where hopefully I'll have some interesting Final Four tales to tell.Comment
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I agree there...I don't know where she got that "Jordan played in a bad league." or whatever she was talking about.
Also you are right about the media. They bash LeBron for passing too much or whatever. But the second he decides that he's going to try and take over, they'll begin to call him selfish.
I remember a play where he was doubled, tried to dribble out of it, then shot over the double only to brick, and the ESPN guy says something like "LeBron, picking up some bad habits. He's trying to do too much."
Sometimes, according to the media, you can never do right. Whatever you do, they can spin it to make you seem like you've made a mistake.Comment
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