Wow man, why even bring up the NFL when you know they are completely different. You could have done without that last point in your post.
Well, Dirk is officially the MVP
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Wow man, why even bring up the NFL when you know they are completely different. You could have done without that last point in your post. -
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This is a team sport and Dirk is not the reason why we didn't make it out of the first round. JET sucked, Stack sucked, Devin sucked, Dampier sucked, everyone aside from Howard and Diop sucked. Dirk struggled and no one had his back. Duncan gets great guard play from Parker, Finley is fillling it up, Bowen plays great D, Ginobili is always solid. Baron Davis got great support in the first round. J-Rich filled it up, Stephen Jackson couldn't miss, etc. My point is, it's timeout for putting it all on Dirk when no one had his back other than J-Howard. Dirk had a great regular season on a 67 win team, he deserves it. I'm proud of his accomplishment. Also, it's assuring to know that no one is harder on Dirk than he is himself, so I expect for him to rebound.NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
NBA: Dallas Mavericks
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NHL: Dallas Stars
NCAA: Alabama Crimson Tide
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It's funny how Suns fans all get angry when people complain about Nash's MVP because his teams never went to the finals yet they're complaining about Dirk getting the MVP.Last edited by jmood88; 05-12-2007, 11:00 AM.Originally posted by BlzerLet me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.
If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)Comment
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I never said he was the only one that sucked. He definitely deserves the award, he played incredible throughout the season, but when people think about, "Who won MVP in 06-07?", they'll remember Dirk, but the first thing they'll think about is the first round loss and his poor play, not any of Stack's, JET's, Devin's, or Damp's poor play, just Dirk, because he won the MVP.
By the way, I guarantee that Dirk will never win this award again, at least not for the next 3-5 years, and after that, it will be Lebron et. al's time. If you think that him winning this award and then disappearing and getting bounced by an 8 seed won't affect his votes for the next couple of years, think again. I'm guessing a lot of the voters already wish they could switch their vote to Nash before it's too late.Comment
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It doesn't matter when he's left; for the past two years Suns fans have been making it a point to talk about how the MVP is a regular season award whenever anyone has criticized Nash for never taking his team to the finals.Originally posted by BlzerLet me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.
If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)Comment
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lol which reminds me..the heisman is a regular season award also. I was reminded of that constantly. but since there are no playoffs in college football, and the numbers in the bowl game are added to the regular season numbers, perhaps they should wait until they play one more game until they give THAT award. anyway, i digress.
MLB MVP - regular season
NHL MVP - regular season
college football heisman - regular season
NFL MVP - regular season
NBA MVP - regular season if Nash is outplayed in the playoffs by another "candidate". However, if Nash does well in the playoffs, then the award includes the playoffs. .never mind the fact that Nash winning 2 straight and 3 straight should put him under a larger microscope as far as career playoffs are concerned...and career playoffs are all voters can take into account because they cant look into the future.Last edited by ZB9; 05-12-2007, 04:34 PM.Comment
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seems like people love changing the "criteria" all over the place in favor of Nash to fit whatever kind of year it is for Nash and his peers. It's quite a phenomenan.Last edited by ZB9; 05-12-2007, 04:37 PM.Comment
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Don't mean to sound babyish, but throughout the boards Mavs hate is pretty widespread. Often times people bring up something about Dirk or the Mavs when the thread topic has nothing at all to do with him or the Mavs.NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
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I don't think it's so much as love for Nash as much of hate for Dirk and the Mavs.
Don't mean to sound babyish, but throughout the boards Mavs hate is pretty widespread. Often times people bring up something about Dirk or the Mavs when the thread topic has nothing at all to do with him or the Mavs.Comment
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Co-sign. Plus, isn't it on the leader and MVP to step up and LEAD by example. He folded, took his ball and went home. Dirk literally disappeared this series, yet his guys are supposed to pick up the slack? Whether or not Nash has made it to the finals is irrelevant because Nash never folded in a playoff series. He stepped up as a leader, and rallied his troops. He may have went down, but he did it the right way. They just didn't have it.
as far as Dirk rallying his team, i guess you missed game 5. The series would have been a lot shorter if it wasnt for Dirk. but your right, he didnt have a good series. The Warriors do deserve a lot of credit though. Its not like they were playing like an 8 seed. Golden State ouplayed and outcoached Dallas. The series was a complete abberation though getting the worst possible matchup in the first round against a team that you havent been able to beat and was responsible for 25 percent of your team's losses in the regular season. It was the perfect storm. Since Nellie arrived in GS, the Mavs havent been able to beat them. The people saying that Dallas needs to blow up their team are seriously overreacting.
By the way, I guarantee that Dirk will never win this award again, at least not for the next 3-5 years, and after that, it will be Lebron et. al's time. If you think that him winning this award and then disappearing and getting bounced by an 8 seed won't affect his votes for the next couple of years, think again. I'm guessing a lot of the voters already wish they could switch their vote to Nash before it's too late.
btw, that was the first time the Dallas Mavericks franchise had ever been to the NBA finals...and the main reason for that was Dirk's dominance in the western conference playoffs.
this year was the first time the Mavs have won their division outright since 1986. One of the biggest reasons for that was Dirk's consistent elite play during the season
People are acting like the Mavs are the Lakers or something. The expectations certainly are raised for this franchise, and Dirk is a big reason for that. All of this criticizm is actually proving how great of a player he actually is, and what kind of stamp he is making in the league. Dirk arrived in 1999 and is one of the main people responsible for turning around one of the worst franchises in pro sports in the 90s that didnt have expectations of winning 20 games in a season, much less being expected to win the championship.Last edited by ZB9; 05-12-2007, 05:19 PM.Comment
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the entire Mavs team played bad. Its not called folding, its called being outplayed. Dirk didnt play well, but the Warriors were determined not to let Dirk beat them. The fact is that the Warriors entire game plan was geared to stop Dirk, and the rest of the team didnt make the Warriors pay for their strategy.
They designed their game plan to stop Dirk. Umm... people design their gameplans around shutting down stars all the time. "They were not going to let Dirk beat them". It's not like that's a novel concept. Kobe, LeBron, Nash, Duncan, Shaq, etc. You don't think teams gameplan against other stars, and say we're not going to let them beat us? You think Dirk is the only one who has to deal with that. You don't think Jordan, Dream, Bird, etc. had defenses that focused on them as well?
Dirk could've split the double, could've posted up the midgets, shot over them, hit open guys in better spots with better passes, played better D, done SOMETHING, but he disappeared, and that's not what an MVP is supposed to do. So yeah, the whole team sucked, but they were following their leader.
Actually that's exactly who they played. "typical 8-seed", or not, the Mavs are a 67 win team. As it stands the Utah Jazz have already beat the Warriors twice, so it is not like the Warriors are some unstoppable juggernaut.
Golden State ouplayed and outcoached Dallas. The series was a complete abberation though getting the worst possible matchup in the first round against a team that you havent been able to beat and was responsible for 25 percent of your team's losses in the regular season. It was the perfect storm. Since Nellie arrived in GS, the Mavs havent been able to beat them. The people saying that Dallas needs to blow up their team are seriously overreacting.
interesting to see that Dirk is held to a different standard than basically everyone in the league today. Do you think TMac will be considered for the MVP if he has a good year? but i see your point. This year's playoffs will have more of an affect on the voters for next year than the voters this year obviously since they cant see the future, and last year's playoffs had more of an affect on this year's MVP voters.
Speaking of last year, Dirk had a better playoffs than everyone except for Shaq and D-Whistle. I guess there are a lot of "underachievers" in the NBA. btw, that was the first time the Dallas Mavericks franchise had ever been to the NBA finals...and the main reason for that was Dirk's dominance in the western conference playoffs.
this year was the first time the Mavs have won their division outright since 1986. One of the biggest reasons for that was Dirk's consistent elite play during the season
People are acting like the Mavs are the Lakers or something. The expectations certainly are raised for this franchise, and Dirk is a big reason for that. All of this criticizm is actually proving how great of a player he actually is, and what kind of stamp he is making in the league. Dirk arrived in 1999 and is one of the main people responsible for turning around one of the worst franchises in pro sports in the 90s that didnt have expectations of winning 20 games in a season, much less being expected to win the championship.Comment
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