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Re: Well, Dirk is officially the MVP
well deserved
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Re: Well, Dirk is officially the MVP
I find this whole playoffs/MVP connection ridiculous, because they're two separate things, but...
The difference is, Nash never flamed out like Dirk did in the first round of this year's playoffs. Even so, it takes more than one guy to get a team to the Finals. I guess that's a bit too difficult to comprehend.Comment
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yea, as ive stated before, its tough for Dallas to win when Dirk doesnt play well. He led the Roland rating this year for that reason. http://www.82games.com/0607/0607DAL.HTM
he didnt play well in the series obviously. 18pts/13rebounds is probably one of the worst series he has had in quite a long time. There are many reasons for that, but Dirk is the franchise player and MVP therefore he deserves blame. That is how it goes.
you act like Dirk has not been double teamed for years now.They designed their game plan to stop Dirk. Umm... people design their gameplans around shutting down stars all the time. "They were not going to let Dirk beat them". It's not like that's a novel concept. Kobe, LeBron, Nash, Duncan, Shaq, etc. You don't think teams gameplan against other stars, and say we're not going to let them beat us? You think Dirk is the only one who has to deal with that. You don't think Jordan, Dream, Bird, etc. had defenses that focused on them as well?
a big difference is that Nellie knows Dirk moreso than probably anyone on the current Mavs coaching staff. Nellie brought Dirk to the NBA and developed him for the majority of his career early on. This series, Dirk was not going to dominate against Nellie. That would be like Luke Skywalker beating Yoda
Nellie stated that he was not going to let Dirk beat them. The rest of the team was going to have to step up, and they usually do, but this series they didnt for whatever reason. Its not an excuse, its a fact. However, Dirk deserves a majority of the blame anyway and he is obviously giving the blame to himself also.
He is the franchise player and he's the MVP, therefore he deserves blame but dont get carried away and act like this wasnt an anomaly. Throughout his career, Dirk has usually raised his game in the playoffs. This year was the exception, not the rule.
those players that you brought up are all hall of famers and most of them have had better careers than Dirk while some of them havent. but one thing that all of those players that you listed have in common is that none of them have been able to do it by themselves. and i doubt any of them would be able to dominate consistently being doubled and tripled all game. You have revisionist history. Shaq and Jordan were pretty close to superhuman, but even they struggled at times with constant attention.
You brought up Duncan for example. Why the hell do you think the Spurs bring in such skilled 3 point shooters? its to take advantage of all of the double teams that Duncan gets. If teams are going to double Duncan all game, then the Spurs are going to kill you from the outside. Of course, Duncan has had a much better career than Dirk, but even Duncan needs teammates to step up for his team to be successful.
THe Spurs are set up around Duncan and the attention that he garners. and The Mavs are set up around Dirk and the attention that he garners, of course he doesnt set up his teammates from the post as much but DIrk still opens up the court for his teammates. Teams have tried all kinds of things against Dirk. He is always the #1 defensive priority for teams, just as Duncan is always the #1 defensive priority for teams. That is what the two players have in common. What made this series so different for Dirk is that Nellie just so happens to be Yoda to Dirk and to the Mavs. Do you think Duncan could dominate against Popovich if Pop were coaching for another team for some reason? That excuse is not the only reason why Dallas lost obviously, but its not a coincidence either that Nellie happened to give Dirk more trouble than anyone else.
ill pretend you didnt bring up Shaq, Dream, and Jordan.
like i said earlier, Dirk didnt play well and the Mavs are in trouble when that happens. However, it hasnt happened often.Dirk could've split the double, could've posted up the midgets, shot over them, hit open guys in better spots with better passes, played better D, done SOMETHING, but he disappeared, and that's not what an MVP is supposed to do. So yeah, the whole team sucked, but they were following their leader.
he was dominant at the end of game 5 and the Mavs won. go figure. He had another good game in the series and the Mavs won that one also.Game 5? One game? Wow, I was wrong. Dirk is the man the MVP, best leader in the game. Seriously though, people are questioning whether or not Dirk is even the best player on his own team at this point. Any other MVP have that problem when they won the award?
Of course, he had three average games and a bad game and the Mavs lost all of those.
Dirk deserves blame obviously, but Dallas should have known the kind of attention that Nellie was going to give Dirk. The Mavs guards had so much open court and they could not take advantage of it. and Avery changed his freakin starting lineup and gave the momentum to the Warriors before the series even started.
Again, Again, Dirk deserves the blame, but if the team would have handled things right, then the Mavs would have been able to survive one bad series from Dirk... and i imagine he would have gone on and played at his usual typical high level for the rest of the playoffs. The entire Mavs team deserves blame for the debacle.
if you dont understand matchups then i cant help you. It was obviously a matchup that didnt favor Dallas which is why they havent been able to beat them for two years whether it be playoffs or regular season. and I dont think its a coincidence that trend started when Nellie was hired by Golden State.Actually that's exactly who they played. "typical 8-seed", or not, the Mavs are a 67 win team. As it stands the Utah Jazz have already beat the Warriors twice, so it is not like the Warriors are some unstoppable juggernaut.
it was the perfect storm. and it was an anomaly. Most teams dont match up with the Mavs like the Warriors do.
Dallas would have had an easier time beating the Spurs than the Warriors.That's why you play hard in the regular season, so you can get the one-seed, homecourt and the best possible match-up. Dallas worked hard to get where they were, so I wouldn't say they got "the worst possible match-up". In retrospect, maybe, but a 67-win team shouldnt have too much of a problem knocking off an 8 no matter how unconventional or how many times they lost.
Do you think the Mavs would have lost to the Clippers or the Lakers? If so, then you are crazy. Again, the Warriors swept the Mavs in the regular season also. They were responsible for 25 percent of the Mavs regular season losses.
Of course your right, the #1 seed is supposed to be able to beat whomever they play in the first round. The Mavs werent worried about their first round opponent all season for that reason...but there are such things as anomalys in sports. and we saw one this year. yes, matchups do matter sometimes in sports.
lol yea TMac has "gone down swinging" in the first round every single year of his career. Dirk has only "gone down swinging" in the first round twice now.How is he held to a different standard. It's not about winning or losing, it is about how he wins or loses. Dirk basically relegated himself to roleplayer when his team needed a leader. T-Mac went down swinging and played great. Made some bad decisions in the final minutes, but still played well. However, to answer your question, no T-mac will probably never win an MVP.
it figures though that you would give TMac a free pass. Im not criticizing TMac, and i think hes one of the best players in the league...but your double standard is ridiculous.
btw, Dirk is one of the hardest workers in the NBA. He always "goes down swinging". You dont have to put up 35 shots to "go down swinging".
i typed a crapload (and i rambled quite a bit obviously), but let me put it this way....Not saying Dirk hasn't done some great things for his team, but he also folded right after the consensus was that he won MVP. A lot of pressure... and he couldn't handle it, and it will be remembered whether you like it or not. Almost beating the Heat, and a good series against the Spurs won't erase what it is that he didn't do this year. I don't make the rules, it is just how it is.
The greater the expectations, the greater the fall when you don't exceed them. This was a team slated to win it all, and they couldn't get passed the first round. Dirk is making his stamp on the league. Right now, he's proving to be a great regular season player, and he now has the hardware to show for it.
It doesnt really matter what you think because the only fact is that Dirk is the MVP. Get over it.Last edited by ZB9; 05-15-2007, 08:27 PM.Comment
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i have no problem with the winner, but the runner ups im not happy withComment
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Nothing that you said is difficult to comprehend, I was commenting on the hypocrisy of Sun's fans. Like I said before, it doesn't matter which round the Mavs lost in, you and other Suns fans have made it a point to seperate the MVP from the post season and have repeatedly said that it's strictly a regular season award when people have criticized Nash yet Suns fans are here talking about how Dirk doesn't deserve the award.Originally posted by BlzerComment
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Well, whoever said Dirk doesn't deserve the award is an absolute moron. I just think Nash deserved it more, but whatever. I have more important things to worry about.Comment
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Yeah, I'm not going essay for essay with you, Z. But you say Dirk is to blame, then give a bunch of contradicting reasons why he's not.
Dirk did not go down swinging. He was MIA almost all series.
I understand that Nellie knows the ins and outs of Dirk (no homo), but its really more of a mental than anything else, and Dirk choked.
I mentioned the legends for a reason. They would never ever struggle to the point where they disappear or become role-players like Dirk did. He was not the leader that they needed and thats why they lose in my opinion. Saying I can help in other ways and basically making himself a roleplayer... he basically killed himself mentally.
I know about match-ups and I know G.S. was unfavorable, but its still a 67-win team and they should be able to take out an 8-seed. I'm not saying that Dallas didn't have a bad draw, but they should have had the mental fortitude to overcome an 8. The Jazz are beating them 3-1 right now.
T-Mac does not get a pass, because as I've said in other threads, he came to play way too late and it is on him (Yao too). However, T-Mac was always the best player on the floor for his team. Thats the difference between him and Dirk.Comment
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I bet if you were to go back and review all of the playofff series, you would fine a bunch of times where the star player struggled, sometimes their teams won so it was never discussed, sometimes their teams lost. But athletes are human, they will play well alot of the times and struggle alot of the time. The same way we do in everyday life.The Sports Preacher
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I don't think you'll find any MVP in the last 30 years who scored 8 points with 2 assists in a game his team was eliminated against who was an 8 seed. It was embarrassing for Dirk. It's not an opinion, it was possibly the most pathetic NBA MVP performance ever.
Nobody can deny that he deserved it during the season, but nobody can deny that he was utterly pathetic in the playoffs.
The NBA needs to get on the ball and award the MVP at halftime of the winner's first game of the playoffs.Comment
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Dirk didn't play well, but he got NO help whatsoever from his team either. Terry was horendous, Harris was good early but faded, Stackhouse didn't show up until Game 5, Dampier couldn't get on the floor, Howard had great first halfs and then disappeared the second half.
Dirk isn't Jordan. He can't create off the dribble one on one. But when a team is moving the ball and active, Dirk is absolutely unstoppable. Dallas just stood around and shot 3s for six games, and that did them in.Comment
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When Utah beat GS a major key was Boozer eating the Off-glass
When Dirk was cold and not shooting well, he should have atleast went to the O-boards and try to get something there. Didn't he avg. 9 boards a game? I am not saying he had to be Carlos Boozer but he had to be more than Andrea Bargani v. G-State. Dirk was mentally soft and that point is just an exhibit to the evidence.Comment
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