S. Marion on the Block

[ex carrabba fan]

Please someone, like Matrix, explain just what the hell is going on in the desert? Is the guy really upset about his role on the team? Why is his name always involved in these rumors? During the season I never bought into the murmurings, but now since the talks have never died out I am starting to think there might be some truth to the chemistry problems. Shed the light.

I just don't see how him being unhappy is true, the man gets his often, was an All-Star, and is an integral part of a team on the cusp of a title. The type of system they have allows plenty of shots and easy dunk/layup/fastbreak opportunities, perfect for the Matrix. Plus he has the MVP and best PG in the league feeding him the ball. Insert him into another scheme and who knows.. hopefully he just stays in Phoenix.

[BigTigLSU]

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He has the most trade value of the tradable players on the team. THe ownership doesnt want to pay a luxury tax for being over the cap which is about to happen. Sowhy not get some value while salary dumping. I would be surprise they move him though... Nash's window for a title is 1 to 2 years at the most after that its rebuilding time so I would expect them to bite the bullet. However if you wait too long you turn into the Kings... where you float around mediacore to decent but never really doing anything in the post season.

[HungryBologna]

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Please someone, like Matrix, explain just what the hell is going on in the desert? Is the guy really upset about his role on the team? Why is his name always involved in these rumors? During the season I never bought into the murmurings, but now since the talks have never died out I am starting to think there might be some truth to the chemistry problems. Shed the light.

I just don't see how him being unhappy is true, the man gets his often, was an All-Star, and is an integral part of a team on the cusp of a title. The type of system they have allows plenty of shots and easy dunk/layup/fastbreak opportunities, perfect for the Matrix. Plus he has the MVP and best PG in the league feeding him the ball. Insert him into another scheme and who knows.. hopefully he just stays in Phoenix.

You know, I have no clue and not sure what his problem is but it obviously isn't because of money since he is making about 14-15 milllion a season.

[ex carrabba fan]

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BigTig, yeah I understand that the Suns have a bloated salary.. but I don't understand why, if it's true, Marion is "upset with his role on the team". I understand why the Suns' front office could be thinking about moving him and his 16 mill a year contract.

Hungry, exactly, the man is making plenty of dough. I am quite confused.

[WTF]

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Danny Ferry will give them Larry Hughes for Marion, lol.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Hey, if we can't get Camby for Kwame, you guys can't have the Matrix for Hughes.

[Bizzy Da Kid]

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As long as he doesnt come to the Bulls.

Marion knock is he cant create for himself which isnt good. He needs to go to NJ or someplace with a good PG to create for him. If Marion goes anywhere else, he will see how much he misses Nash.

[blackceasar]

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Move Lebron to the 2 spot, Put Marion at the 3. Teach Illgauskus that he's the biggest man on the floor, even against Timmy and when he gets the ball from 10-15 feet out, stop shooting stupid brick jumpers and take it to the hoop, get some contact. Teach Anderson Varajea(sp?) some court awareness. Hes all thumbs. He fumbles the ball when it's given to him. Never looks for someone to pass him the ball. Id give up Cleavlands number 1 pick in the draft for Marion.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Move Lebron to the 2 spot, Put Marion at the 3. Teach Illgauskus that he's the biggest man on the floor, even against Timmy and when he gets the ball from 10-15 feet out, stop shooting stupid brick jumpers and take it to the hoop, get some contact. Teach Anderson Varajea(sp?) some court awareness. Hes all thumbs. He fumbles the ball when it's given to him. Never looks for someone to pass him the ball. Id give up Cleavlands number 1 pick in the draft for Marion.

It's gonna take a whole hell of a lot more than a late first rounder to get Marion. Not to mention salaries have to match up as well. Not to mention times two, that Phoenix owns the rights to Cleveland's first round pick this year.

[Bizzy Da Kid]

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Lebron is no good at the 2 spot unless he works on his dribbling. He has a good straightaway dribble but his side2side dribble is terrible.

He takes too long to create for himself and teammates which gives the D time to adjust. Lebron then bails out the opposing team with that offbalance jumper. Marion needs to play with a playmaker not Lebron and Co.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Marion needs to play with a playmaker not Lebron and Co.

I agree with this. Matrix on Cleveland's current team would not work out without getting a new point guard as well.

[WTF]

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It will never happen, but I guarantee that he would work out. Marion can knock down the open jumper. That's something that Cleveland lacks. LBJ is a playmaker, so don't exactly understand when you said he needed to play with one, but LBJ wouldn't work out. Regardless, it won't happen, because I don't think the Suns, or any other team for that matter, want Hughes.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Regardless of whether or not the Cavs get Matrix, they still need a new point guard. Of course Bron is a playmaker, but they don't have enough of those. I think it's safe to say.. Gibson proved he's a viable option off the bench, if not a starter, but Hughes at the point is ehh to me. Plus I am not sure Gibson is a true PG, as he seems like more of a scorer/spot up shooter- I like to think of him as a more mobile/athletic Damon Jones.

Anyway, enough of the Cavs talk, apparently the Bulls and the C's have all the right parts to make a deal happen for Marion.

[Pointguard]

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Insert him into another scheme and who knows.. hopefully he just stays in Phoenix.

If Marion goes anywhere else, he will see how much he misses Nash.

Everyone says Marion isnt underrated, but then people make the assumption that Shawn Marion wasnt this good before Steve Nash came. Yes, Steve Nash makes his job easier and yes, Steve Nash makes Phoniex a winner, but Shawn Marion was just as good a player before Steve Nash came as he is now. He has and still is a 18-20 PPG and 9-10 RPG guy who does a little bit of everything else. He would do just fine on most teams and I cant imagine any team not wanting him, maybe besides the contract.

As far as them trading Marion, I really hope so because their defense and rebounding and overall talent on the team is likely going to decline after the trade, depending on what trade they make.

[TheMatrix31]

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People are buying into this whole "Marion has a problem" thing. They think he's having issues with chemistry, like with Amare, yet there has not been ONE thing that makes those assumptions real.

Bottom line is, Marion has been a target of underappreciation (no one in the league does what he does on the court, with the ability to guard a PG then turn around the next play and guard a C, and just as effectively). He has a large contract, and for that reason, every year he is looked to be moved.

Robert Sarver, the owner of the Suns, is fiscally wary, but he has also said he will pay the tax if it meant a championship. I'm not great with the numbers, but I think next year we'll have to pay a $12 million dollar tax or something. We don't HAVE to trade Marion to trim contracts, but he's the easy target for the media to pick on.

Bottom line is, all you hear about Marion in the media about him "being selfish" or "wanting his own team" is completely unfounded. Don't believe it for one second.

Marion is the consummate team player, he always has been. He's not a distraction on the court, or off the court. He doesn't have a hot temper, he doesn't do stupid ****. Nothing. He goes out there and does his job without saying ANYTHING. I'll never understand what some of the people (esp. @ RealGM) are thinking.

And to the guy who said Marion wouldn't be near as good as he is without Nash. Um, what the hell are you talking about? Marion was an All-Star BEFORE Steve Nash even sniffed the desert again. I'm so sick of people saying this (here or elsewhere).

And another thing, people say he can't create his own shot and therefore shouldn't be paid as much as he is? Well, he doesn't create his own shot in the typical way you think. He doesn't take people off the dribble. He doesn't create his shots, he creates his opportunities.

We are in Championship mode. Does trading Marion help the Suns in ANY WAY on the court? No, it most certainly does not. The brass (D'Antoni, Sarver, Kerr) has gone on record to say that we won't do anything that doesn't help us win a championship. They have also said that they won't do anything drastic. Now, normally I wouldn't buy into a team's management, but it makes sense. Why would we blow up a team that was a busted nose, horrible officiating (Game 3), and a suspension away from beating the Spurs and (in effect) winning the championship? Not to mention that this was the FIRST YEAR (not the third) that everyone on the team has been together.

What are the two real things that Phoenix needs help with? Defense and REBOUNDING. Shawn Marion is our best rebounder, and he's arguably our best defender. It makes no basketball sense for a team that's going to need to win now if it wants to win in its' current iteration.

I could probably type a whole essay about the subject, but this should help.