S. Marion on the Block

[Cebby]

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Marion, Barbosa, and picks for the Kobe.

Will never happen, but it works salary wise, and it'd be fun to watch.

[TheMatrix31]

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We could have had Kobe three years ago. No thanks.

[WTF]

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Nice breakdown Matrix.

[HMcCoy]

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Anyone who read his interview in ESPN the Mag a few months back could see this coming.

According to the piece, he's a little tired of getting outpublicized by Nash and Amare, and they run no plays for him, which BTW makes his production pretty impressive (Hard to believe they have no plays in the playbook specifically for him) He wants to show the world what he could really do as a centerpiece...much like another Western superstar did a few years back. Joe Johnson.

The interviewer asked him if he would like to have a team built around him, and he basically said as long as they were a playoff-calibur squad he'd be interested (paraphrasing)

I'd love him here, but I doubt he'd get any more shine in Bron's shadow than he's getting in Nash's...

[bigeastbumrush]

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Guess that skews Matrix's theory.

I think he would thrive in New Jersey's system. Has more heart than Vince and can actually rebound.

Would a sign & trade for VC work seeing that VC has a player option? Not sure of the legalities there.

Seems like a good fit for both teams although Phoenix can't sign VC for long-term (or they would be stupid to).

I never liked Matrix's game outside of his rebounding. I didn't realize that they didn't run plays for him. Not sure why he's so tight. Nash and Amare are true MVP candidates. He is not. But he's talking like he's the focal point of the team.

[remix]

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Yeah, I also was going to bring up that article in ESPN the Mag. Marion's entire offensive game was virtually off hustle and fast breaks. Obviously the Suns half court offense consisted off a pick n' roll with Nash/Amare and Marion really had to exert himself to actually get into it. There's a reason why some of his shot totals were a bit inconsistant. In fact I think one night he only shot the ball 3-4 times against SA in these past playoffs. A star player doing the dirty work, on both ends. I think the Suns kind of took advantage of this situation by not running much, if anything for him. Easily one of the most versatile players in the league and he'd fit right into the Warriors system..

[TheMatrix31]

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Anyone who read his interview in ESPN the Mag a few months back could see this coming.

According to the piece, he's a little tired of getting outpublicized by Nash and Amare, and they run no plays for him, which BTW makes his production pretty impressive (Hard to believe they have no plays in the playbook specifically for him) He wants to show the world what he could really do as a centerpiece...much like another Western superstar did a few years back. Joe Johnson.

The interviewer asked him if he would like to have a team built around him, and he basically said as long as they were a playoff-calibur squad he'd be interested (paraphrasing)

I'd love him here, but I doubt he'd get any more shine in Bron's shadow than he's getting in Nash's...

Taken from MKot @ RealGM Suns...

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How many times I have to repeat the same ****? The report asked him a stupid question like 'do you think you can do better on a different team?'. He paused and thought about it and said something like 'he never had thought about it' then said at the end that 'we're winning games' so obviously, for him, winning matters the most, not individual stats.

HE NEVER HAD SAID HE WANTS TO LEAVE PHX AND BE THE MAN SOMEWHERE ELSE

I think I've read an article somewhere that he said something to the effect that he doesn't agree with JoeJ going to a losing team because winning should be all that matters about basketball. "

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He doesn't need plays run for him when he creates all his opportunities.

[HMcCoy]

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Taken from MKot @ RealGM Suns...

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How many times I have to repeat the same ****? The report asked him a stupid question like 'do you think you can do better on a different team?'. He paused and thought about it and said something like 'he never had thought about it' then said at the end that 'we're winning games' so obviously, for him, winning matters the most, not individual stats.

HE NEVER HAD SAID HE WANTS TO LEAVE PHX AND BE THE MAN SOMEWHERE ELSE

LOL @ Mkot. "How many times to I have to tell you the same ***?"

Luckily, I still have the mag.

Cover story:

"SHAWN MARION PLAYS HURT (on the inside)" 04/23/2007

"The invisible man" page 70

"He's got game that's hard to overlook, so why does Shawn marion feel like no one sees him?" by Chris Palmer

Here are a couple quotes directly from Marion:

Pg 72: "I want the recognition" says Marion, who got fewer votes for February's All-Star game than Shane Battier. "I feel I've done what it takes to get it, but for some reason it hasn't happened"

Pg 72: "Steve Nash is the MVP of the league, but I've had people tell me I am the MVP of the team"

Pg 75. Would you rather be a 30-point scorer and an MVP candidate on a lesser team, say, one only flirting with the post season, than the sidekick to the sidekick in PHX? "Wow, that's interesting" Marion pauses nearly 10 seconds to concentrate on the question. "I've never been asked that" he continues. "That would be an interesting situation to be in, to really show people what I can do. But we'd be in the playoffs, right?"

Pg 75.: Jalen Rose: "He may feel underappreciated, but everyone here appreciates what he does..Of course, the reason he's as good as he is is because of that chip on his shoulder"

Those quotes don't sum up the interview, which really painted Matrix as frustrated with his lack of publicity, and this in no way indicates any kind of demand or rant, but clearly the Matrix doesn't think he gets enough shine, and did NOT dismiss the idea of being "The Man" on a lesser squad...

That said, again, it's no surprise these current rumors are floating around.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'm sorry, but to whoever says "I'm tired of people saying Marion wouldn't be as good as he is now if he went elsewhere".. who exactly was his point guard before Nash? Yeah, he's been fortunate to be in great systems to suit and really enhance his talents.

I'm not for one second saying he would suck if he left. Just that I don't know if he'd be a shoe in All-Star like he basically was over the past three or four years.

Anyway, good break down everyone, it'll be interesting to see what Steve Kerr does with the team.

[TheMatrix31]

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Before Nash? RIGHT before Nash? Howard Eisley.

Before him? Mr. Stephon Marbury.

Marion played with Kidd for like, 2 years.

He's put up the same numbers with or without Nash, and even outside Nash, it just goes to show that Marion and the style the Suns have played (for YEARS we've been a fast break, offensive team) is a perfect marriage.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Before Nash? RIGHT before Nash? Howard Eisley.

Before him? Mr. Stephon Marbury.

Marion played with Kidd for like, 2 years.

Not bad PG's, minus Eisley. Steph was arguably in his prime. How many years was Howard the starting point?

Yeah, I agree, the system is tailor made for the Matrix. He should really be there forever.

[TheMatrix31]

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Eisley was the PG for the rest of the season after Stephon was traded.

Stephon isn't exactly a "set your teammates up" PG. Marion will do what he does regardless of a PG because his opportunities (outside of his three point attempts, which are mostly system-induced) are created by himself by being in the right place in the right time.

Marion is the glue of this team on the court as well as off of it. He gets traded, this team goes to **** because the versatility and charisma is gone. Nash is the catalyst.

Bottom line, it's just the media and those "controversy hounds" you see everywhere who are trying to drum up "chemistry issues" within a team that hasn't suffered from that as much as other teams have and do.

[Streets]

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LOL @ Mkot. "How many times to I have to tell you the same ***?"

Luckily, I still have the mag.

Cover story:



Those quotes don't sum up the interview, which really painted Matrix as frustrated with his lack of publicity, and this in no way indicates any kind of demand or rant, but clearly the Matrix doesn't think he gets enough shine, and did NOT dismiss the idea of being "The Man" on a lesser squad...

That said, again, it's no surprise these current rumors are floating around.

I don't know if those were the best quotes in the mag, but nothing in there sounded like Matrix is unhappy with his situation or even that he wants a bigger role on the team. He just wants some recognition from the fans/media for what he does every night, as well he should. I've never read that article before, but I agree with those who say it's been blown up and taken out of context. The author also seemed to really be spinning the story into a "Matrix is unhappy in Phoenix" type of article, but if you read the quotes, I see nothing wrong with what he said and no signs of trouble ahead.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Eisley was the PG for the rest of the season after Stephon was traded.

Stephon isn't exactly a "set your teammates up" PG. Marion will do what he does regardless of a PG because his opportunities (outside of his three point attempts, which are mostly system-induced) are created by himself by being in the right place in the right time.

Marion is the glue of this team on the court as well as off of it. He gets traded, this team goes to **** because the versatility and charisma is gone. Nash is the catalyst.

Honestly, I was shocked to see, that Matrix actually had more shot attempts with Steph than he has with Nash. With his stint with Marbs, he had about 17 attempts per game, while with Nash he's had like 16 attempts per. Yeah, the team has added lots of pieces so that's most likely the reason. There's prolly a million other factors, but it's an eye opening stat none the less.

[HMcCoy]

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I don't know if those were the best quotes in the mag, but nothing in there sounded like Matrix is unhappy with his situation or even that he wants a bigger role on the team. He just wants some recognition from the fans/media for what he does every night, as well he should. I've never read that article before, but I agree with those who say it's been blown up and taken out of context. The author also seemed to really be spinning the story into a "Matrix is unhappy in Phoenix" type of article, but if you read the quotes, I see nothing wrong with what he said and no signs of trouble ahead.

Which is why I wrote:

"Those quotes don't sum up the interview, which really painted Matrix as frustrated with his lack of publicity, and this in no way indicates any kind of demand or rant, but clearly the Matrix doesn't think he gets enough shine, and did NOT dismiss the idea of being "The Man" on a lesser squad..."

No, he didn't demand a trade and no he doesn't begrudge his teammates, but like ALOT of players, he wants more recognition for being a critical piece of that team. There was no anger, just proof that he feels he doesn't get enough run. The writer didn't have to spin anything...the entire story itself was about his preceived lack of recognition. It also talks about how they don't run any plays for him, how if he doesn't hustle, he gets nothing, and that he's perplexed that he'd never made an all-D team. This wasn't a "I want out" article, simply a "It sure would be nice to get more love" article.

If the story is seen as an "I want out" statement, chalk it up to e-hype...but obviously, someting is going oninside the kid's head.