Larry Bird best SF of all time?

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

Putting Bird ahead of Kareem, Wilt, Russel and Jordan is just bananas.

Russell, Wilt, Kareem and Jordan were all SF? I thought Jordan was a guard, Russell/Kareem were big men, as was Wilt.

do I sense homerism?

Honestly dude, everytime I make a post you give me some **** about how I'm terribly wrong or I'm just saying it because I'm a homer. How can you say that's homerism. I'm one of MANY people who will argue and say Larry Bird was the greatest SF of all time, possibly the greatest player of all time.

Ok, maybe I was exaggerating when I said, "easily," but I do think he had what it took to be the greatest.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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You can only say it's homerism if it's completely out of hand. In which case, it's not.

[Vince]

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Russell, Wilt, Kareem and Jordan were all SF? I thought Jordan was a guard, Russell/Kareem were big men, as was Wilt.



Honestly dude, everytime I make a post you give me some **** about how I'm terribly wrong or I'm just saying it because I'm a homer. How can you say that's homerism. I'm one of MANY people who will argue and say Larry Bird was the greatest SF of all time, possibly the greatest player of all time.

Ok, maybe I was exaggerating when I said, "easily," but I do think he had what it took to be the greatest.

I'm preety sure he was saying that Bird was the best that ever played. At least it came out looking that way.

[billmatic]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

I'm preety sure he was saying that Bird was the best that ever played. At least it came out looking that way.

That's how I took it as well, he said #1 player, not #1 small forward.

Either way, while I don't think Bird is the best player of all time, an argument could be made.

[lbartlett_32]

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Easily Larry Bird.

Without a doubt. No question.

[lbartlett_32]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

Lebron James will be considered the best SF of all time by the end of his career. That is, if he grabs some MVPs and a few rings. Skill and stats wise Lebron will be better by the end.

That would be a no.

[chadskee]

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That would be a no.

Reason?

[SPTO]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

Lebron will not be better then Larry Bird by the end of his career. He needs MVPs and championships. He also needs to consistently have his team at the top of the standings. If he stays in Cleveland it'll be hard to achieve these things. Now if he was in the west he'd definitely have some championships under his belt by the end of the day.

Let's put that asside though and look at Lebron in the clutch. Yes, there are times when he can pull it off but he's very inconsistent and more often then not fades away in the big moments. Bird never had that kind of trouble even early on in his career he was the leader of his team and came away on top in the clutch.

[arichzona]

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Lebron will not be better then Larry Bird by the end of his career. He needs MVPs and championships. He also needs to consistently have his team at the top of the standings. If he stays in Cleveland it'll be hard to achieve these things. Now if he was in the west he'd definitely have some championships under his belt by the end of the day.

Let's put that asside though and look at Lebron in the clutch. Yes, there are times when he can pull it off but he's very inconsistent and more often then not fades away in the big moments. Bird never had that kind of trouble even early on in his career he was the leader of his team and came away on top in the clutch.

HATED Larry Bird (well.........his game). But SPTO is 100% on the mark.

[lbartlett_32]

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Reason?

Larry played when the NBA was at its best. Defense was relied upon to win games. There was constant hand checking, no free lanes, and no uncontested shot. There was the team concept as well as team D. There are no equivalents in this league to Barkley, Magic, Thomas, Malone, Stockton, and Jordan. These are only a few names that played in the Laker-Celtic dynasty era and didn't win till Bird and Magic was gone.

The NBA now keeps all stats completely differently and it heavily favors the Offense something that did not happen in those days. Not to mention his D, hustle, and the fact that HE IS the greatest shooter to ever step foot on the hardwood at any level. As far as being clutch, well I would only ear arguments for Jordan and it still a tough call.

Not to mention that Magic and Larry both evolved the game. They have made the NBA.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

Larry Bird did what no other slow white man will ever do again.

....Nor will LeBron.

[jake44np]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

Larry Bird did what no other slow white man will ever do again.

....Nor will LeBron.

He did what no other white man slow or fast will ever do again.
He was without a doubt the best there ever was and the best there ever will be white bball player.
And yes he was the best small forward ever, he averaged 24 pts 10 reb and 7 ***. a game for his career. There are not very many SF who ave 10 boards and 7 ***. a game.
Oh yeah he also won NBA titles and MVP awards.

[lbartlett_32]

Re: Larry Bird best SF of all time?

He did what no other white man slow or fast will ever do again.
He was without a doubt the best there ever was and the best there ever will be white bball player.
And yes he was the best small forward ever, he averaged 24 pts 10 reb and 7 ***. a game for his career. There are not very many SF who ave 10 boards and 7 ***. a game.
Oh yeah he also won NBA titles and MVP awards.

Black or white he was the second best to ever play. He and Magic are neck and neck.

[jake44np]

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Black or white he was the second best to ever play. He and Magic are neck and neck.

I would agree.
Imagine how many titles Magic would have won if it wasnt for Larry and vise versa.

[tenoob]

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Russell, Wilt, Kareem and Jordan were all SF? I thought Jordan was a guard, Russell/Kareem were big men, as was Wilt.



Honestly dude, everytime I make a post you give me some **** about how I'm terribly wrong or I'm just saying it because I'm a homer. How can you say that's homerism. I'm one of MANY people who will argue and say Larry Bird was the greatest SF of all time, possibly the greatest player of all time.

Ok, maybe I was exaggerating when I said, "easily," but I do think he had what it took to be the greatest.

Everyone calls Jordan the greatest, he made his team better blah blah;
how does a guy who shoots the ball most 99.9% of the time make his
team better? Jordan was a basketball player, one that often pissed off
Doug Collins with his decision making and rebelious attitude; the only
reason Jordan bought into the whole "team thing" was because he
lost the athleticism of his youth and he realized he couldn't carry
a team alone.

Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Specifically on the Lakers.

I'm not saying Jordan is not great, are you kidding me?

I'm just saying Jordan seems alot more awsome than anyone today
because he was the first of what we have many today; the only
difference between Tmac, Kobe, Vc, Lebron and Dwade is time a
perfected jumpshot, a great cast, great upper managment and
alot of awards one for being the first of a growing breed.

Can you imagine any of these youngsters in Jordan's era or earlier?

No team could stop any of these players, because if they came in
right with Jordan or before him wheres the game plan? How do you
stop Kobe? Even better yet; imagine Allen Iverson going back to
the mid eighties; thats scary (or even Lebron; he would outmustle
everybody).