Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

[Dice]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

I'm sure its nice to have 3 stars to cover your deficiencies. Having a dominant big man does that.

This is the same guy who lost 18 games in a row....TWICE with two different teams.

Now all of a sudden it's okay? It's just the truth, he's a motivational coach, and once he runs out of the rah rah speeches, he can't deal with a good X's and O's coach.

Pierce should be, no Doc should be thanking God that KG is wearing green because he's deflecting alot of Doc's poor strategy.

FYI, get such and such the ball and get out of the way , again is never a good thing unless you have a dominant big man to cover up for you.

Other than that, Doc is not a good coach.

Having 3 stars on a team doesn't make you a decent coach if your bad. Ask Frank Lawrenece. And yeah, maybe Frank doesn't have a big man BUT he still has 3 stars in Jefferson, Kidd and Carter and yet that team in no where near where it should be.

And as far as the 18 game loosing streaks...did you see the teams he was coaching? Phil Jackson wouldn't have done no better with those squads.

[jake44np]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

The will not fire him no matter what they do in this years playoffs!
If they fire him the big 3 will have a huge problem with it, the dont want to make them mad by firing him.

[totalownership]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

Well if they fire him he can come over here to NY and help us. We'd love a coach that can take stars and make them unbeatable. I know, yuck yuck, who wants a coach that can take stars in their first season together and make them unbeatable, nobody right. So we'll take him. Boston fans keep yelling for Doc's head.

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Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

Having 3 stars on a team doesn't make you a decent coach if your bad. Ask Frank Lawrenece. And yeah, maybe Frank doesn't have a big man BUT he still has 3 stars in Jefferson, Kidd and Carter and yet that team in no where near where it should be.

And as far as the 18 game loosing streaks...did you see the teams he was coaching? Phil Jackson wouldn't have done no better with those squads.

First of I think it's ridiculous to compare Vince Kidd and freaking Richard Jefferson to PP Ray Allen and Garnett.

Not only that but you just all but confirmed what I was saying in the first place. Dominant big man in the middle, and please don't down the contributions of guys like Tony Allen and Rajon Rondo

[Dice]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

First of I think it's ridiculous to compare Vince Kidd and freaking Richard Jefferson to PP Ray Allen and Garnett.

Not only that but you just all but confirmed what I was saying in the first place. Dominant big man in the middle, and please don't down the contributions of guys like Tony Allen and Rajon Rondo

I wasn't making a comparision between the players. I was just stating that NJ has 3 stars. Didn't say they were better or worst than Pierce, Allen and Garnett.

And I'm not downplaying the lack of a dominate big man in NJ BUT they should be better than they are now. With the 3 stars they have there they actually don't need a Kevin Garnett type player to be an elite team. As far as personel wise, all they need is a guy who can control the paint defensively. If they had a 'young' Mutombo or a 'young' Alonzo Mourning they would be up there with the elite of the NBA. Their lack of a defensive presence is going to keep them from winning anything. BUT they should be at least better than what they are now.

And I'm not donwplaying the contributions of Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and the rest of the Celtics. Matter of fact, I can't remember if I even downplayed them in my last post?

But the fact of the matter is that because of the play of Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and the rest of the team is doing well is beacuse of Doc Rivers. Rivers job is not to coach the big 3 BUT to handle the play of the rest of the team. The big three don't need coaching. It was like what Phil Jackson was doing in Chicago during the Bulls championship seasons. AND BEFORE YOU START, I'M NOT COMPARING RIVERS WITH JACKSON. Just the way they handled the team. Jackson's job was not coaching Michael, Scottie and Dennis(or Horace). They basically coached themselves on the floor. Phil's job was to make sure the other players played their roles in following the big three.

[jake44np]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

Well if they fire him he can come over here to NY and help us. We'd love a coach that can take stars and make them unbeatable. I know, yuck yuck, who wants a coach that can take stars in their first season together and make them unbeatable, nobody right. So we'll take him. Boston fans keep yelling for Doc's head.

What "stars" would he win with in New York?

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Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

I wasn't making a comparision between the players. I was just stating that NJ has 3 stars. Didn't say they were better or worst than Pierce, Allen and Garnett.

They're irrelevant as to why Rivers should coach or not anyhow

And I'm not downplaying the lack of a dominate big man in NJ BUT they should be better than they are now. With the 3 stars they have there they actually don't need a Kevin Garnett type player to be an elite team.

Obviously, they don't need an inside game. Explain to me the last time 3 perimeter players won it all?

As far as personel wise, all they need is a guy who can control the paint defensively. If they had a 'young' Mutombo or a 'young' Alonzo Mourning they would be up there with the elite of the NBA. Their lack of a defensive presence is going to keep them from winning anything. BUT they should be at least better than what they are now.

Are you crying about how sucky the Nets are, or justifying Doc's job by saying the Nets are losing?

And I'm not donwplaying the contributions of Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and the rest of the Celtics. Matter of fact, I can't remember if I even downplayed them in my last post?

No you arent downplaying them, and Doc isn't really coaching them either.

But the fact of the matter is that because of the play of Tony Allen, Rajon Rondo and the rest of the team is doing well is beacuse of Doc Rivers. Rivers job is not to coach the big 3 BUT to handle the play of the rest of the team. The big three don't need coaching. It was like what Phil Jackson was doing in Chicago during the Bulls championship seasons. AND BEFORE YOU START, I'M NOT COMPARING RIVERS WITH JACKSON. Just the way they handled the team. Jackson's job was not coaching Michael, Scottie and Dennis(or Horace). They basically coached themselves on the floor. Phil's job was to make sure the other players played their roles in following the big three.

Your analogies suck. Phil brought in Tex Winters and installed a brand new offense because why? YEP YOU GUESSED IT, Doug Collins philosphy was "Give Michael the ball and get out of the way", and it didn't work. The only coach successful with that kind of coaching was Rudy T, and that is because he had Dream running the show from the inside.

You still haven't justified why Doc deserves to keep his job. He's not a player developing coach, he doesn't call plays, he has had an 18 game losing streak with this team, and if they don't win it all, it will be looked at as a failure no matter how many excuses you make for Doc.

One thing I will say, you had better hope they don't end up in a situation where it calls for tact, because they will lose everytime with his thinking.

[Dice]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

They're irrelevant as to why Rivers should coach or not anyhow



Obviously, they don't need an inside game. Explain to me the last time 3 perimeter players won it all?




Are you crying about how sucky the Nets are, or justifying Doc's job by saying the Nets are losing?




No you arent downplaying them, and Doc isn't really coaching them either.



Your analogies suck. Phil brought in Tex Winters and installed a brand new offense because why? YEP YOU GUESSED IT, Doug Collins philosphy was "Give Michael the ball and get out of the way", and it didn't work. The only coach successful with that kind of coaching was Rudy T, and that is because he had Dream running the show from the inside.

You still haven't justified why Doc deserves to keep his job. He's not a player developing coach, he doesn't call plays, he has had an 18 game losing streak with this team, and if they don't win it all, it will be looked at as a failure no matter how many excuses you make for Doc.

One thing I will say, you had better hope they don't end up in a situation where it calls for tact, because they will lose everytime with his thinking.

Tex Winters was an assitant before Phil got there. So Phil didn't bring in Tex.

And speaking of the championship Bulls, there is a team that has won with preimeter players. Jordan was a shooting guard. And Pippen was a small forward/point forward. Sounds like preimeter players to me.

And as far as the Nets are concerned, I'm just saying that Frank Lawrence is a terrible coach and he's got talent on his team. AND he's had that talent for all the years he's been coaching in NJ. Rivers has never had the talent near what Frank Lawrence has had before this season. And despite that, Rivers as coached his teams to the playoffs when they shouldn't have been there in the first place. NJ right now with the talent they have should be competing for a spot in the NBA Finals BUT Lawrence is holding them back.

My analogies are fine. You just choose to dance around them. I've never in any of my post hyped up NJ big 3 to be better than Boston's big 3. I just stated that NJ has 3 all-stars like Boston. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm just saying that 3 stars doesn't make a bad coach into a good coach. Lawrence Frank is a bad coach and it shows.

You just cannot get around your hate for Doc Rivers. I'm no Doc Rivers fan but I'm not going to downplay his contributions to the season Boston is having. They are having a great season and Doc is one of the reasons why.

[utexas]

Re: Do U fire Doc if the C's don't win it all?

No they have only been together one season.