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  • oxide
    Rookie
    • Dec 2005
    • 243

    #16
    Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

    I thought Cuban liked Harris... I guess he likes Kidd more.

    This season is one of the worst to make this push IMO. The competition is too tough. While there is no guarantee that next season is going to be easier, it is highly unlikely what we are seeing now will repeat.


    Let's sum this up shall we. I want your input.

    Lets list off the number of years these teams have to win the title before ageism kills them:

    Celtics
    3 years?

    Lakers
    4?

    Mavs
    3?

    Suns
    3?

    Spurs
    4?

    Detroit
    3?

    A lot of stars getting old at the same time - welcome to the Baby Boomer NBA generation

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    • ZB9
      Hall Of Fame
      • Nov 2004
      • 18387

      #17
      Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

      Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
      Now you're missing Nash, lol AWESOME. And I
      would think it would be hard to find people who believed that Kidd is a better scorer than Harris, you made me LMAO, thanks.





      yes, Kidd is a better scorer than Harris. That is not saying much. Have you watched Devin Harris play much?

      but again, Dallas is not getting Kidd for his scoring.
      Last edited by ZB9; 02-18-2008, 01:22 AM.

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      • SkunkWurks6
        Banned
        • Jul 2007
        • 514

        #18
        Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

        Originally posted by ZB9
        yes, Kidd is a better scorer than Harris. That is not saying much. Have you watched Devin Harris play much?

        but again, Dallas is not getting Kidd for his scoring.
        I'd rather have Harris with his speed and explosion on this Mav team rather than a beat down Kidd. What are they getting him for then? He can't shoot, the Mavs run an isolation offense so Kidds open court passing skills are somewhat negated, and he's just an average defender now. But yeah he's gonna put you guys over the top.

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        • nogster
          MVP
          • Mar 2006
          • 3833

          #19
          Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

          Originally posted by ZB9
          yes, Kidd is a better scorer than Harris. That is not saying much. Have you watched Devin Harris play much?

          but again, Dallas is not getting Kidd for his scoring.
          oh cmon man...im with homer here..
          kidd isnt a better scorer than harris..kidd isnt a scorer period, but he is a true playmaker.
          harris is more a scorer than a he is a playmaker.

          the stats show it all..and i guarantee u that harris will score more than kidd in NJ. and with a better %. without a doubt..
          and if u reply back and say, NJ didnt need kidd to score...dont, as u would be very very wrong...NJ is 3rd last in ppg.

          kidd will fit right in with dallas, they dont need him to score..and other than a post presence, the mavs needed a pure playmaker.
          think about how dirk and howard must be licking their chops at having a pg with the calibre of kidd, setting them up...and terry wont have to worry about trying to be a playmaker anymore.
          yeah kidd may be over the hill now, but he is still one of the top 5 floor leaders in the game. as well as being one of its toughest most respected competitors. and thats exactly what the mavs need..
          is it enough to push them to a title? probably not with the totally loaded west. but if they did, no one would be really surprised.

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          • nogster
            MVP
            • Mar 2006
            • 3833

            #20
            Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

            Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
            I'd rather have Harris with his speed and explosion on this Mav team rather than a beat down Kidd. What are they getting him for then? He can't shoot, the Mavs run an isolation offense so Kidds open court passing skills are somewhat negated, and he's just an average defender now. But yeah he's gonna put you guys over the top.
            they are getting him for leadership and competetive toughness. something the mavs didnt have. and his skills are not negated on the mavs, if anything they are enhanced. he has a better team to lead.
            his rebounds will drop, his asts will be around 10 as usual, and his shooting % should see an increase. and more importantly, the mavs will be rejuvenated and their effeciency should see a spike.
            i think its a good trade short term for the mavs..they gave up a lot of their future with this deal to win now..and they have as good a chance as any..
            they couldnt sit with the team they had. getting kidd will help their chances.

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            • ZB9
              Hall Of Fame
              • Nov 2004
              • 18387

              #21
              Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

              Originally posted by nogster
              oh cmon man...im with homer here..
              kidd isnt a better scorer than harris..kidd isnt a scorer period, but he is a true playmaker.
              harris is more a scorer than a he is a playmaker.
              i didnt say Kidd was a scorer. I said he's been a better scorer than Harris, and he has.

              but neither one of them will exactly fill it up

              the stats show it all..and i guarantee u that harris will score more than kidd in NJ. and with a better %. without a doubt..
              and if u reply back and say, NJ didnt need kidd to score...dont, as u would be very very wrong...NJ is 3rd last in ppg.
              Harris will have a high field goal percentage because he's a layup machine. However, he struggles from the outside. Teams basically give him the outside all day.

              Harris should improve his outside shot, and when he does that he will be deadly (ala Tony Parker)...but he's not there yet and Dallas doesnt have time to develop him with the group they have. They want to make a run now.

              The rest of Harris's game isnt enough to cover up for his shooting. He doesnt have the "point guard intagibles" yet. Magic Johnson wasnt exactly Ray Allen from the outside, but he had those floor general intagibles. Kidd has many of those same intagibles obviously (yes i did put Kidd in Magic's territory).

              Harris doesnt have those intagibles. He is a two guard trapped in a point guards body right now. Devin might develop them, but he might not. Usually, floor generals at the point guard position are born, not developed, although there are exceptions.

              kidd will fit right in with dallas, they dont need him to score..and other than a post presence, the mavs needed a pure playmaker.
              think about how dirk and howard must be licking their chops at having a pg with the calibre of kidd, setting them up...and terry wont have to worry about trying to be a playmaker anymore.
              yeah kidd may be over the hill now, but he is still one of the top 5 floor leaders in the game. as well as being one of its toughest most respected competitors. and thats exactly what the mavs need..
              is it enough to push them to a title? probably not with the totally loaded west. but if they did, no one would be really surprised.
              i agree
              Last edited by ZB9; 02-18-2008, 03:07 AM.

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              • DueceDiggla
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 4915

                #22
                Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                Come playoff time you guys will see. Kidd will be awesome, but he cannot guard the PGs in the West. His defense is horrible when it comes to speedy PGs.

                BTW, Antoine Wright is also in the deal.

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                • SkunkWurks6
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 514

                  #23
                  Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                  Originally posted by nogster
                  they are getting him for leadership and competetive toughness. something the mavs didnt have. and his skills are not negated on the mavs, if anything they are enhanced. he has a better team to lead.
                  his rebounds will drop, his asts will be around 10 as usual, and his shooting % should see an increase. and more importantly, the mavs will be rejuvenated and their effeciency should see a spike.
                  i think its a good trade short term for the mavs..they gave up a lot of their future with this deal to win now..and they have as good a chance as any..
                  they couldnt sit with the team they had. getting kidd will help their chances.
                  You're wrong, for Kidd to have 10+ assist numbers the Mavs will have to change the way they play their half court offense. I don't see them fastbreaking THAT much more because of Kidd. And the offense the Mavs have now lends itself to one on one basketball. The only thing I can see them bringing Kidd in for is leadership.

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                  • TheJuice00
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 150

                    #24
                    Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                    Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
                    You're wrong, for Kidd to have 10+ assist numbers the Mavs will have to change the way they play their half court offense. I don't see them fastbreaking THAT much more because of Kidd. And the offense the Mavs have now lends itself to one on one basketball. The only thing I can see them bringing Kidd in for is leadership.
                    Leadership...which can do wonders for a team as mentally shot as the Mavs. And this talk about Kidd not being able to get his assists to where they usually with the style the Mavs play is a bit of a stretch. Kidd's the veteran point guard of veteran point guards in the league. You seriously think he's that much of an idiot to where he won't know how to make things happen out of a half-court set? Sure, buddy.

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                    • nogster
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 3833

                      #25
                      Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                      Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
                      You're wrong, for Kidd to have 10+ assist numbers the Mavs will have to change the way they play their half court offense. I don't see them fastbreaking THAT much more because of Kidd. And the offense the Mavs have now lends itself to one on one basketball. The only thing I can see them bringing Kidd in for is leadership.
                      im wrong hey?
                      we will see man..
                      u dont think one of the best passers in nba history will get around his usual 10 asts a game with a better offensive team around him?

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                      • SpacemanSpiff
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 1279

                        #26
                        Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                        Originally posted by ZB9
                        Kidd is a better shooter and scorer than Harris,,,but Dallas doesnt need Kidd to be a big scorer. They dont need him to fill it up (they have Dirk, Howard, Terry, and Stack for that)...Dallas needs a floor general. They havent had one since Nash left.

                        Harris is going to be a good PG, but it might be in 3 years. Dallas isnt in position to develop a PG right now. They want to make a run now.
                        Agreed with everything you've said other than the fact that Kidd is a better shooter and scorer. Maybe even a year ago but Kidd has been absolutely abysmal on offense this year. I'm talking about airballing open threes (like he did at the ASG), unable to consistently get by his man. Harris has no jumpshot sure, but neither does Kidd and Kidd isn't as quick as Devin. However, the Mavs aren't bringing him in for his scoring, so that point isn't really relevent. Just pointing out that Kidd isn't actually a better scorer than Harris; Still better than him offensively because of his passing and his strength but shooting and scoring is something Kidd has lost.
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                        • SkunkWurks6
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 514

                          #27
                          Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                          Originally posted by TheJuice00
                          Leadership...which can do wonders for a team as mentally shot as the Mavs. And this talk about Kidd not being able to get his assists to where they usually with the style the Mavs play is a bit of a stretch. Kidd's the veteran point guard of veteran point guards in the league. You seriously think he's that much of an idiot to where he won't know how to make things happen out of a half-court set? Sure, buddy.
                          You've obviously never seen the Mavs play, the run an isolation offense, so there's not as much ball movement and the player usually ends up creating his own shot, therefore no assists. LOL get back to me when you actually know something about basketball.

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                          • SkunkWurks6
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 514

                            #28
                            Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                            Originally posted by nogster
                            im wrong hey?
                            we will see man..
                            u dont think one of the best passers in nba history will get around his usual 10 asts a game with a better offensive team around him?
                            Nope I don't think he will. Do you even watch the Mavs play?

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                            • DueceDiggla
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 4915

                              #29
                              Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                              Originally posted by TheJuice00
                              Leadership...which can do wonders for a team as mentally shot as the Mavs. And this talk about Kidd not being able to get his assists to where they usually with the style the Mavs play is a bit of a stretch. Kidd's the veteran point guard of veteran point guards in the league. You seriously think he's that much of an idiot to where he won't know how to make things happen out of a half-court set? Sure, buddy.

                              As a Net fan who has seen every game Kidd has played with NJ....I can tell you that the only thing Kidd can offer in a half court offense are spot up threes and the occasional post up on smaller PGs.

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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #30
                                Re: Kidd back to the Mavs

                                Is all you guys care about is scoring?

                                You don't think leadership and playmaking is important?

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