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    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #376
    Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

    So you're arguing against the obvious with what-if's....

    You got it, big man.
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    • mgoblue
      Go Wings!
      • Jul 2002
      • 25477

      #377
      Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

      My thoughts on the Shaq debut. It looks promising. It'll take some time to iron everything out, but Shaq looks energetic and motivated. Amare obviously LOVES playing the 4 instead of the 5, and the Suns still put up a lot of points. The loss doesn't bug me right now, the Lakers are a damn solid team and it was Shaq's first appearance. The West is just going to be a damn crapshoot come playoff time, it'll be great to watch.
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      • ZB9
        Hall Of Fame
        • Nov 2004
        • 18387

        #378
        Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

        Originally posted by Secondbase22
        Refs were terrible
        who was the main official?

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        • XBox_Roughneck
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 1728

          #379
          Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

          Originally posted by Secondbase22
          Yeah, some of y'all are coming off as very overzealous now that you're relevant as contenders again.

          And about Bynum being a top 3 center next year, I'd still put him below Yao, Dwight, and Al Jefferson but probably good for top 5 next year. Kaman and Camby deserve some consideration too so Bynum isn't a lock to be in that top echelon. Part of the difficult part of staying there is being able to put it together for a whole season and while Bynum was beginning to become a force before his injury, you don't know if he would've hit a wall or sustain production.
          Good post. This Laker fan agrees 100%.
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          • ryanm1058123
            Banned
            • Jan 2004
            • 3628

            #380
            Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

            Kaman and Camby are better than Bynum and Al Jeff is a PF.

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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #381
              Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

              Originally posted by ryanm1058123
              Kaman and Camby are better than Bynum and Al Jeff is a PF.
              Not to get into a pissing match, but Kaman? Do you just look at box scores and stat lines? I can't definitively say he's better than Bynum. Living in L.A. and seeing both teams all the time, give me Bynum any day of the week.

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              • ryanm1058123
                Banned
                • Jan 2004
                • 3628

                #382
                Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                Kaman has a much much superior offensive game and can rebound just as well. May not be the shot blocker that Bynum is but give me Kaman every day of the week.

                Take off the homer goggles. Bynum may eventually be better but not this year.

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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #383
                  Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                  Originally posted by ryanm1058123
                  Kaman has a much much superior offensive game and can rebound just as well. May not be the shot blocker that Bynum is but give me Kaman every day of the week.

                  Take off the homer goggles. Bynum may eventually be better but not this year.
                  Obviously not this year since the man only played 30 games. Take into account the Clippers are playing for nothing. No pressure, no Brand. Call me whatever name you want but just because he scores more points doesn't mean he's better. Bynum impacts the game moreso than Kaman can. Once again I watch both Clipper and Laker games do you?

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                  • ryanm1058123
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 3628

                    #384
                    Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                    Yes I do. You are also a Laker fan so you are going to be biased. Kaman scores 16ppg and 13rebounds a game. How can you say he only scores points? He's a better rebounder than Bynum this year. Kaman did well in the playoff run last year so don't give me that he can't do it when it really matters. Bynum hasn't done it either yet so what the heck are you talking about?

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                    • NoSkillz50
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 2267

                      #385
                      Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                      Originally posted by ryanm1058123
                      Kaman has a much much superior offensive game and can rebound just as well. May not be the shot blocker that Bynum is but give me Kaman every day of the week.

                      Take off the homer goggles. Bynum may eventually be better but not this year.
                      First of all, Bynum dominated Kaman earlier this season on both sides of the floor. Bynum is much quicker and stronger and has better bounce than Kaman. Hes made huge strides in improving his footwork and strength and he was becoming a really tough cover on the block with all his post moves before he got hurt.

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                      • ryanm1058123
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3628

                        #386
                        Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                        Please don't try and use head to head as who is better than who. Curry beasts Dwight Howard all the time, does that mean Curry is better than Howard? No it does not.

                        And please do not try to tell me that Bynum has more post moves than Kaman. Just don't.

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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #387
                          Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                          Originally posted by ryanm1058123
                          Yes I do. You are also a Laker fan so you are going to be biased. Kaman scores 16ppg and 13rebounds a game. How can you say he only scores points? He's a better rebounder than Bynum this year. Kaman did well in the playoff run last year so don't give me that he can't do it when it really matters. Bynum hasn't done it either yet so what the heck are you talking about?
                          Better rebounder? By three rebounds? Because one guy has only played 30 games? Stop looking at only stats.

                          Bynum was like 19 when he played in his only playoff series and barely got any burn. I'm talking about Bynum impacting the game more than Kaman, you're simply looking at stats and boxscores.

                          Enough with calling me biased and just have a discussion.

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                          • ryanm1058123
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 3628

                            #388
                            Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                            It's obvious you are biased. I can't have a conversation with you about this as I know you are a Lakers fan and you are going to be biased towards Bynum. Kaman is the better player right now.

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #389
                              Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                              Originally posted by ryanm1058123
                              It's obvious you are biased. I can't have a conversation with you about this as I know you are a Lakers fan and you are going to be biased towards Bynum. Kaman is the better player right now.
                              I've had tons of discussions with people here about the Lakers. Ask anyone here if I'm biased. Not everyone gets overzealous about their team like some WV fans here.

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                              • ryanm1058123
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 3628

                                #390
                                Re: The Time Has Finally Come...SHAQ's HUGE Debut With The Suns...TONIGHT.....9:00...

                                I use stats to prove my situation and I also watch the games, what other way is there to discuss with you when you continue to ignore the stats?

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