Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

Every year they have these.
And they're all completely false.

[dunnyduns]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

He would not be the best player on UNC, Memphis, UCLA, or a well coached Kansas team. Outside of those two, I'm not sure the other players on the Heat would start on these teams.

Ricky Davis would be the best player on any college team right now. Some players on the rosters of the final four teams have the potential to be better than Ricky Davis but, as they are right now I'd take Ricky Davis over any of them on my team today as we are talking about just one game. Not how good these players will be down the road. Ricky Davis game is just so much more developed than any current player on the roster right now along with him being older and stronger from playing in the NBA. I don't even think it's debatable that Ricky Davis would dominate in college if he could go play in college today. Like a poster earlier said Ricky Davis would drop 40 on whoever was guarding him because after playing against the athletes in the NBA going against college players would feel like going playing against kids to Davis.

[chadskee]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

The Heat would dominate, that's such a joke.

[MassNole]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

Ricky Davis would be the best player on any college team right now. Some players on the rosters of the final four teams have the potential to be better than Ricky Davis but, as they are right now I'd take Ricky Davis over any of them on my team today as we are talking about just one game. Not how good these players will be down the road. Ricky Davis game is just so much more developed than any current player on the roster right now along with him being older and stronger from playing in the NBA. I don't even think it's debatable that Ricky Davis would dominate in college if he could go play in college today. Like a poster earlier said Ricky Davis would drop 40 on whoever was guarding him because after playing against the athletes in the NBA going against college players would feel like going playing against kids to Davis.

If Derrick Rose and Ricky Davis were to play 1 on 1 tomorrow, I'd go with Rose.

[dunnyduns]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

If Derrick Rose and Ricky Davis were to play 1 on 1 tomorrow, I'd go with Rose.

Ok, you go with the guy who averages 14.6ppg, 4.7apg, 4.4rpg, and 1.2spg in one year against college players and I'll take the guy who averages 14.3ppg, 3.4apg, 3.6rpg, and 1.0spg in his 8 year pro career against NBA players who's also in his athletic prime of 28 years old. Rose should have the better pro career over the years but, if they faced today Davis is the better player. Rose might and probably will put up better numbers as a pro but, Davis actually has put up decent numbers as a NBA player. In a one on one game played today I'm going to take the player who has done decent in the NBA, not the player who might.

[Cebby]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

Ok, you go with the guy who averages 14.6ppg, 4.7apg, 4.4rpg, and 1.2spg in one year against college players and I'll take the guy who averages 14.3ppg, 3.4apg, 3.6rpg, and 1.0spg in his 8 year pro career against NBA players who's also in his athletic prime of 28 years old.

You realize that college numbers never compare to pro numbers because of time restrictions, right? In the NBA, games are 8 minutes longer, and the average possession is much shorter. Unless you're a one man team, you aren't putting up NBA numbers in college. Some guy named Michael Jordan averaged 19.6 a game his last year in college, so I guess you'd take Ricky Davis in 2002 over Jordan.

[Rainey]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

You realize that college numbers never compare to pro numbers because of time restrictions, right? In the NBA, games are 8 minutes longer, and the average possession is much shorter. Unless you're a one man team, you aren't putting up NBA numbers in college. Some guy named Michael Jordan averaged 19.6 a game his last year in college, so I guess you'd take Ricky Davis in 2002 over Jordan.

He wins.

[chadskee]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

I'll take an 8 year old yet that can score in the NBA over the player who can score in college.

Only for a little while though, Rose will catch up fast.

[dunnyduns]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

You realize that college numbers never compare to pro numbers because of time restrictions, right? In the NBA, games are 8 minutes longer, and the average possession is much shorter. Unless you're a one man team, you aren't putting up NBA numbers in college. Some guy named Michael Jordan averaged 19.6 a game his last year in college, so I guess you'd take Ricky Davis in 2002 over Jordan.

You realize that the players that someone faces in college isn't no where near as talented as the caliber of players a player faces night in and night out in the NBA for 82 games a year, right???? So, you can say Rose numbers aren't nearly as good because he plays smaller number of minutes and I'll say well Ricky Davis put his numbers up against much better players.

Ricky Davis college numbers are pretty similiar to Rose. Davis college numbers 15ppg, 4.8rpg, 2.4apg, and 1.2spg in 1 year at Iowa. He isn't nearly as good as Rose is as a college player. Thing is Davis played in college 9 years ago and has gotten better with age. Something Rose will do as he gets older. But, right now, Davis is the better player.

[Cebby]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

You realize that the players that someone faces in college isn't no where near as talented as the caliber of players a player faces night in and night out in the NBA for 82 games a year, right????

Yes, which is why I didn't start pulling out ridiculously stupid comparisons of college/pro numbers. Of course Ricky Davis is going to have comparable numbers; he plays 8 minutes more per game in a much faster league. If anything, it's a negative point in the Ricky Davis argument to bring up his numbers, considering the disparity in minutes and style of play.

Thing is Davis played in college 9 years ago and has gotten better with age.

I'd argue that he was never all that good to begin with. Two of the three teams who consistently started him ended with the worst record in the NBA, and the other was anchored by KG and still sucked.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

How can someone play 40 minutes (Kasib Powell) and only score 6 points? That's unbelievable.

[dunnyduns]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

Yes, which is why I didn't start pulling out ridiculously stupid comparisons of college/pro numbers. Of course Ricky Davis is going to have comparable numbers; he plays 8 minutes more per game in a much faster league. If anything, it's a negative point in the Ricky Davis argument to bring up his numbers, considering the disparity in minutes and style of play.

No, you want to know what a ridiculously stupid comparison is? It's saying a guy who has never played a NBA game or even faced consistent NBA competition can beat a guy who averages 14 points in his 8 year NBA career, with career highs of 20.7ppg in a season with 2 years of 19ppg, and a career high 45 points in a NBA game, that the college player can beat the NBA guy right now.

I'd say Ricky Davis pro averages are more impressive than those of Rose's 1 year averages in college. Because Ricky Davis did it against NBA players and it's over a span of 8 years. How many college guys have averaged stats of 14.6ppg, 4.7apg, 4.4rpg, and 1.2spg in college and were good college players and have amounted to nothing in pros??? Probably more than those that have succeeded. It's easy to say Jordan only scored 19.6 his last year in college. What you should do is go find all those good college players that have averaged around 20 points in their college career and turned out to be duds in the pros. I bet there are a lot more duds than players who got to the level of a Michael Jordan. At least Davis can say he has had a decent NBA career.

[Cebby]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

No, you want to know what a ridiculously stupid comparison is? It's saying a guy who has never played a NBA game or even faced consistent NBA competition can beat a guy who averages 14 points in his 8 year NBA career, with career highs of 20.7ppg in a season with 2 years of 19ppg, and a career high 45 points in a NBA game, that the college player can beat the NBA guy right now.

His 20.7 PPG season was on a 17-65 team, shot .410%, was second in the league in loss shares with 37, and of course, made a shot on his own basket in an attempt to gain a triple double.

[dunnyduns]

Re: Any one of the number 1 seeded NCAA teams, vs. Miami Heat current roster...

His 20.7 PPG season was on a 17-65 team, shot .410%, was second in the league in loss shares with 37, and of course, made a shot on his own basket in an attempt to gain a triple double.

And that 17-65 team was still better than any college team. The bottom line is the guy has put up numbers in the NBA and proven himself against NBA competition. This isn't a debate if Ricky Davis is a tool or not because personally, I don't like Ricky Davis. But, I'm not going to deny that he isn't better than any current college player right now and after 8 years in the NBA he is still a borderline starter. There are current college players right now that have better potential to be much better NBA players but right now Ricky Davis at 28 is better than Derrick Rose at 20.

Now, if we could have Derrick Rose at even just 22-23 possibly sooner,against Ricky Davis we probably couldn't have this debate as he should be the better player by then.