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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
Holy cow, that 98 draft was pretty terrible.
The top ten had such great players as
(1) Michael Olowokandi
(3) Raef LaFrentz
(6) Robert Traylor
(7) Jason Williams
(8) Larry Hughes
Wow, there is an all-star cast thereToo Old To Game Club
Urban Meyer is lol.Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
Webber is in no way a lock because a lock means there's no debate and there's definitely a lot of debate on Webber. Alonzo should not be a Hall of Famer either unless you think being a backup center is a "key part" of a championship team.Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
How can you debate Chris Webber making the HOF? He was on on that great Kings team that nearly beat the best sports team in the World in the Lakers even with the horrible officiating.
You give me a reason why it's debatable he wont makeit.
And I dont even know how you are debating Alonzo not being a keypart of that Miami championship team just because he was a backup center. Whenever he came in he shut down the paint, played tremendous defense, and got alot of min. in because of Shaq's lazy ***.Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
Ah, letting 6-7 games override 730, because everyone knows that Paul Pierce, Dwayne Wade, and Chauncey Billups are better than Kobe, Jason Kidd, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Payton, Pippen, Nash, Webber, KG, and a few others who haven't won the Finals MVP.
In the same years, playing a position that counts the same, here are Dirk and PP's All NBA appearances:
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
or
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
Regular season MVP voting of
2000-01 NBA 0.004 (13)
2001-02 NBA 0.017 (11)
2002-03 NBA 0.001 (11)
2007-08 NBA 0.001 (14)
or
2001-02 NBA 0.025 (8)
2002-03 NBA 0.036 (7)
2003-04 NBA 0.003 (10)
2004-05 NBA 0.275 (3)
2005-06 NBA 0.435 (3)
2006-07 NBA 0.882 (1)
2007-08 NBA 0.004 (11)Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
I thought the 1998 draft was actually pretty good, many solid players, future all-stars.. there are far worst drafts. From the people you listed, Jason Williams helped the Kings turn around their franchise. Larry Hughes has always been decent, simply not the scorer that people wanted him to be. Even LaFrentz was decent for the years he played.. Olowokandi is a different story..I do because I can, I can because I want, I want because you say I can'tComment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
Soldier, you really have to stop arguing against anything that has to do with the Celtics. Especially Pierce. All you say are negative things about him, when in reality, he took a dump on your beloved Lakers.Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
Wow. Totally missing the point. I was re-enforcing the point that just being on the wave of a championship team(like Lue) is not the point. It's how much you were involved in helping them win the championship. Pierce's championship hold much more weight than Lue because without him the Celtics wouldn't even got to the championship, let alone win it. The Lakers would have won the championship without Lue.
And as far as the Dirk comparisons go, I'm not at liberty to say who's better but Dirk as had more individual success. But he also benefited from better teams. For Pierce to get consideration for MVP votes in 2001, with a non-playoff team, is a feat to consider.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
Yes stats are great but if I was starting a team today I would take Pierce over Dirk. I'm a huge Dirk fan but I'll admit I've been sleeping on Pierce. Pierce did a pretty damn good job defending Kobe and Lebron. I don't think Dirk will ever come close to stopping an MVP type player on the defensive end in a playoff series. I'd say Dirk is the better 3 point and free throw shooter but Pierce has gotten to the line a lot more regularly than Dirk over the course of their careers. To me their offensive games are comparable but I think the advantage for Pierce in my eyes comes on the defensive end.
Plus who was Pierce's best teammate before this year? Antoine Walker. That's hardly close to the talent that Dirk has had around him. Even when Pierce finally got talent around him he put that team on his back all the way to the title.
In conclusion, their offensive games are comparable but Pierce has the edge in regards to defense and leadership."You got it man. I don't watch hockey." SidVish"I thought LeBron James was just going to be another addition to help me score."
Ricky Davis"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert EinsteinComment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
I'm a big pierce fan, he really is a talented player, but not HOF worthy. If you claim he is, then your opening up a floodgate of other worthy players. There are a dozen other players currently with comparable career stats and achievements. You can't sell me on 1 ring/finals mvp, especially under the KG/Allen circumstances.Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
There aren't too many players I consider Hall of Fame worthy in today's game. I love when analysts say Pierce showed what kind of player he truly is with some big-time talent around him. I think a lot of players "show what kind of player they are" when they are surrounded by talent. Look at Jud Buechler and the Bulls of the late '90s (Ha!).
But seriously, the Celtics' title vindicates Kevin Garnett as a Hall of Fame talent. Pierce is not. Let me think, who's Hall of Fame worthy in today's game?
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James (on his way, but debatable if his career ended today)
I'm trying to think of players with rings because I don't think anyone without them is on that Charles Barkley level of deserving the nod. Dwayne Wade needs to do more because one ring with Shaq is not enough. Stats and proficiency aren't enough for Steve Nash or Dirk Nowitzki at their current pace, in my opinion.After more than eight years on here, I finally figured out how to edit my time zone!Comment
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Re: Is Paul Pierce a Hall of Fame player?
It's funny that he goes from just an allstar, even among Celtic fans, to a hall of fame caliber player after one series.Originally posted by BlzerComment
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