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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #256
    Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

    My man Dirk still can't get no respect and the sad part is I ain't even a Mavs fan and I can notice this.
    #RespectTheCulture

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    • Fiasco West
      MVP
      • Oct 2008
      • 2820

      #257
      Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
      refs refs refs
      ohhhhh refs just wanna have fuun
      I do not know why I am laughing at this.

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #258
        Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by Bornindamecca
        That's because their best player isn't elite. He gets his points from the outside, and you can't gameplan around that. All of the best players in the league are inside threats in some form or another. Going inside compromises the defense, causes them to break down, and gets outside shots for less skilled players, or in rare cases, inside shots for less skilled players. So the Roger Masons, Trevor Arizas and Verajaos of the league looks muuuch better than they really are.

        This allows the coach to consistently put these role players in a position to hurt the other team.

        Because Dirk never developed a killer inside game, the role players on the Mavs have to either create for themselves, or get open shots when the defense "happens" to break down. That's why they are inconsistent.

        Dirk elite, HAHAHA

        He's very good, but he's a 2nd tier talent
        I agree on a lot of points.

        Except that Dirk is still in his prime, so if management would put the players in place truly tailored for Dirk I could see things differently as far as the elite discussion goes.

        Management needs to step their game up in DAL.

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        • ZB9
          Hall Of Fame
          • Nov 2004
          • 18387

          #259
          Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Bornindamecca
          That's because their best player isn't elite. He gets his points from the outside, and you can't gameplan around that. All of the best players in the league are inside threats in some form or another. Going inside compromises the defense, causes them to break down, and gets outside shots for less skilled players, or in rare cases, inside shots for less skilled players. So the Roger Masons, Trevor Arizas and Verajaos of the league looks muuuch better than they really are.

          This allows the coach to consistently put these role players in a position to hurt the other team.

          Because Dirk never developed a killer inside game, the role players on the Mavs have to either create for themselves, or get open shots when the defense "happens" to break down. That's why they are inconsistent.

          Dirk elite, HAHAHA

          He's very good, but he's a 2nd tier talent



          elite |əˈlēt; āˈlēt|
          noun
          1 a group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth

          There aren't that many GREAT teams in the league. The top teams all have elite talent and Dallas doesn't. They have 2nd tier talent and third tier talent.
          like ive said, you have very little credibility

          It doesnt really matter what you consider "elite". Dirk's play on the court over the past 8 or so seasons speaks for itself.

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          • Bornindamecca
            Books Nelson Simnation
            • Jul 2007
            • 10919

            #260
            Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            I agree on a lot of points.

            Except that Dirk is still in his prime, so if management would put the players in place truly tailored for Dirk I could see things differently as far as the elite discussion goes.

            Management needs to step their game up in DAL.
            Well this is the issue with Dirk. You need to put him in a Celtics type situation, where he has one or two more 2nd tier talents to put him over the top. So you need a Joe Johnson and Carmelo Anthony level player next to him, and you'll have equivalent talent to the Lakers, Cavs and Spurs, who all have one elite player and varying levels of 2nd tier, 3rd tier and specialist players surrounding them.

            ZB9, I know it hurts that I'm analyzing Dirk's game, but empty comments about credibility don't change the facts. He's not as good as the best players in the league. You already agreed to that. Now you're just fighting the pain of the truth. Like a kid who is tired, but really wants to stay up late. 8 or so seasons? This isn't a lifetime achievement discussion. I'm talking about Dallas this year.


            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
            My man Dirk still can't get no respect and the sad part is I ain't even a Mavs fan and I can notice this.
            Hope you're not talking about me, because it's really not a slap in the face to call him a 2nd tier player. There are plenty of very good players in that category.
            Last edited by Bornindamecca; 03-15-2009, 04:31 PM.
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            • Checmate101
              N.W.O. - NO WR OPEN
              • Mar 2006
              • 9947

              #261
              Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

              J Terry on fire man..
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              • Checmate101
                N.W.O. - NO WR OPEN
                • Mar 2006
                • 9947

                #262
                Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                Jason Terry 7 of them things
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                • ZB9
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 18387

                  #263
                  Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                  This isn't a lifetime achievement discussion. I'm talking about Dallas this year.
                  lol this season, Dirk is top 5 in scoring in the NBA again...and AS A POWER FORWARD. Everyone else on the list is a ball handler

                  like I said, you are losing credibility

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #264
                    Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                    The JET has just taken off from the runway.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • Checmate101
                      N.W.O. - NO WR OPEN
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 9947

                      #265
                      Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                      Mavs then stormed back..I was about to cut the game off, to play 2k9. Got lazy to turn the system on, and decided to watch the rest of the game. Glad I did now. Thanks to lazyness.

                      Mama there goes that man again In Jason Terry
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                      • ZB9
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 18387

                        #266
                        Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        The JET has just taken off from the runway.
                        man cant stop JET when he gets hot like this

                        pick and roll is going to be money down the stretch

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                        • Bornindamecca
                          Books Nelson Simnation
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 10919

                          #267
                          Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ZB9
                          lol this season, Dirk is top 5 in scoring in the NBA again AS A POWER FORWARD. Everyone else on the list is a ball handler

                          like I said, you are losing credibility
                          So what? There is a decent history of great scoring power forwards. And FYI, power fowards also need to block shots and rebound. Elite power forwards average 10+ rebounds a game, block shots, defend in the post and score inside.

                          If they don't, who will?

                          Most 2nd tier players are deficient in one area like this. For instance, if Amar'e wanted to be elite, he'd have to start defending as well. Dwight Howard is the opposite. If his offensive game continues to grow, he will be considered one of the absolute best players in the league, because he already is a GREAT rebounder and defender. Dirk is a one trick pony. Shoot, Dirk. Shoot.
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                          • Checmate101
                            N.W.O. - NO WR OPEN
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 9947

                            #268
                            Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                            Sasha struggling
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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #269
                              Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                              EC, what's the status on Andrew Bynum's recovery? Is there any chance he'll be back this season?

                              And what happened to Vujacic? It's like he's not hitting as many jumpers as he was last year from the times i've watched you guys.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • ex carrabba fan
                                I'll thank him for you
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 32744

                                #270
                                Re: 3/9 to 3/15 NBA Discussion Thread

                                Yeah Phil, you took out Ariza, Kob, Odom and Fish out at the same time knowing:

                                1. No Andrew
                                2. Sash has struggled all year shooting
                                3. You have Powell, Walton, Farmar and Sash playing at the sametime

                                Pack, they interviewed Andrew today and he said he's been running on a treadmill, but there's still a stinging pain in his knee when he cuts. He said it wears off though with ice. Then he said this week he begins basketball drills.

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