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  • Brankles
    Banned
    • May 2003
    • 5113

    #31
    Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

    Originally posted by kgx2thez
    I can see your point. Player X performs when it really matters. The argument I have against that it only takes 1 opponent into account. I prefer a larger sample size.
    A 4-7 game MVP during the most important point in the season is nice, but I'm with you here.

    Finals MVP means you were the best player for a few games on the best team in the league. Tony Parker has a Finals MVP, but I'm not sure how many people think he's a top 10 player in the NBA.

    AB is trying to get too cute with this.

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #32
      Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

      Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff
      Yeah but Nash should've similarly lost to Dirk/Shaq and LeBron who are also great players but he didn't. I'm not advocating that Kidd should've definitely been named MVP over Duncan but Nash probably shouldn't have won two unless you were playing the, "wow this point guard took a mediocre team and turned them around" card which applied for Kidd as well. Nash wasn't even in the Top 3 for EWA in either year but I bet Kidd was.
      I think and still to this day feel LeBron should've won one of those MVP's that Nash got so I dont disagree with that notion. I've said that at the time, but again they chose to have that not long enough in the league yet to win it thing work against LeBron same as they did Chris Paul.

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      • TheMatrix31
        RF
        • Jul 2002
        • 52915

        #33
        Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        I'm actually waiting to here Matrix's take on this I recall him referring to anyone who didn't think Nash was deserving as a "moron". I don't think the debate on those MVP's will ever die LOL
        Thanks for saying it.

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        • DC
          Hall Of Fame
          • Oct 2002
          • 17996

          #34
          Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

          Nash won because he is white
          Concrete evidence/videos please

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #35
            Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

            Kidd with the Nets when they were going to Finals > Nash with the Suns when he was winning MVPs

            Kidd meant everything to the Nets as well, made Kenyon Martin look like an All Star. He even played better defense than Nash did back then. It's amazing how Nash has two MVPs and Kidd has none when it seems the criteria used to justify Nash could've easily fit for Kidd at the time.
            Agreed.
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • AlexBrady
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 3341

              #36
              Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

              Originally posted by Brankles
              A 4-7 game MVP during the most important point in the season is nice, but I'm with you here.

              Finals MVP means you were the best player for a few games on the best team in the league. Tony Parker has a Finals MVP, but I'm not sure how many people think he's a top 10 player in the NBA.

              AB is trying to get too cute with this.
              Tony Parker is a borderline top 10 player.

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              • o_capone
                Banned
                • Apr 2009
                • 1270

                #37
                Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                i have been saying it from the beginning, nash won his two mvp awards for political reasons not because he was the most valuable player...

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                • TheMatrix31
                  RF
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 52915

                  #38
                  Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                  Originally posted by o_capone
                  i have been saying it from the beginning, nash won his two mvp awards for political reasons not because he was the most valuable player...
                  Um.

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                  • Ewing
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 863

                    #39
                    Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                    Originally posted by Brankles
                    It's just the MVP system is kind of wacky. Seems like the criteria is too highly based off of team success instead of taking in a player's overall effectiveness.
                    Welcome to the world of ignorant sports writing. Here you'll find Bill Plaschke, Jon Heyman, Jemele Hill and various others. Enjoy your infuriating stay.

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                    • TMagic
                      G.O.A.T.
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 7550

                      #40
                      Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                      Originally posted by o_capone
                      i have been saying it from the beginning, nash won his two mvp awards for political reasons not because he was the most valuable player...
                      Care to explain why you think this...Why don't you think Nash deserved an MVP award?
                      PSN: TMagic_01

                      Twitter: @ThoseFools

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                      • o_capone
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1270

                        #41
                        Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                        Originally posted by TMagic
                        Care to explain why you think this...Why don't you think Nash deserved an MVP award?
                        steve nash did not deserve it because the success in phoenix was due to their fast paced offense not due to steve nash... nash could have been replaced by several different players and phoenix would have been just as good... there have been soooo many point guards who were a lot better than steve nash who have missed out on all-star games and all-nba teams but this guy wins mvp... jason kidd 0 mvp awards, gary payton 0 mvp awards, kevin johnson, john stockton, baron davis, chris paul... man i can name so many players who are so much better than steve nash who got nowhere near as much credit... steve nash has never even been the best player on his own team... not the best or the most productive... but he gets all the credit... the people who should have won mvp those years get robbed... you can find several players who were a lot more productive and more important to their teams success those 2 years...

                        in my opinion if you were to replace steve nash with jason kidd or john stockton they would have averaged 15 assist on those teams... hell even andre miller or brevin knight could have replaced steve nash on those teams without them missing a beat...

                        come on now, he had joe johnson, quentin richardson, shawn marion, amare stoudamire and he couldn't get 13-15 assist per game with these guys? he is not hall of fame worthy, he is the most unworthy mvp in nba history... mike d'antoni deserves all of the credit for steve nash making a name for him self...
                        Last edited by o_capone; 04-14-2009, 03:48 PM.

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                        • DC
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 17996

                          #42
                          Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                          Originally posted by o_capone
                          i have been saying it from the beginning, nash won his two mvp awards for political reasons not because he was the most valuable player...
                          We are on the same page here.

                          I stated my opinion earlier.
                          Concrete evidence/videos please

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                          • TheMatrix31
                            RF
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 52915

                            #43
                            Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                            I wish I had the energy to debunk all of this.

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                            • o_capone
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 1270

                              #44
                              Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                              I wish I had the energy to debunk all of this.
                              don't waste your time, it's not possible...

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                              • Brandon13
                                All Star
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 8915

                                #45
                                Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

                                LMAO!

                                Come on Matrix, I want to see this.

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