Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

The problem with you is that you look WAY too much at numbers.

[o_capone]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

The problem with you is that you look WAY too much at numbers.

numbers are very important... way more important than most of the things people talk about that don't show up in the box score... numbers are what you are doing on the court... scoring, rebounding, assist, stealing, blocking, turnovers... people put too much weight into the other mostly "imaginary" things... tell me what steve nash does to help his team win that does not show up in the box score...

what else is there? setting screens? putting a hand in someone's face? everyone who is not lazy does that...

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Numbers don't measure everything.

Nash's decision-making can't be captured in numbers. His heart can't be captured in numbers. His IQ can't be captured in numbers. His vision can't be measured in numbers. His leadership can't be measured in numbers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Yea I agree, there are some things that you can't measure using just strictly numbers.

Because if that were the case then I could make an even stronger case for Kidd winning MVP in 2003.

[ZB9]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

btw, only THREE players in the history of the NBA have put up 50/40/90. Nash is one of them...dont know if that means anything but thought it was interesting.

also, to say Marion was more important than Nash is crazy. Marion was important obviously but no where near as important as Nash imo, partly because of the position that Nash played and how dependent that system was on point guard play. Nash made the whole thing go.

as far as bringing up Brevin freaking Knight....I dont understand that at all. That is like bringing up Ricky Davis in a comparison of Kobe Bryant

[DC]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Sometimes we all have to learn to not entertain certain things being said. If he believes Brevin Knight could have ran the Suns as efficiently as Nash then let him believe that.

[Vince]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

You can pretty much predict who will win the MVP award these days. This year Lebron, next year Wade or CP3, the year after it will be Dwight's turn then after that Roy...so on and so forth.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Sad but unfortunately true.

[DC]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

I don't see Brandon Roy ever winning an MVP

[Brankles]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

I don't see Brandon Roy ever winning an MVP

Not in Portland's market and not with the superstars we have now. It will be Dwight, LeBron, Wade, CP3, and maybe even Derrick Rose before he ever gets a shot at it.

The only chance I see is if Portland somehow turns into the best team in the league.

[o_capone]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

btw, only THREE players in the history of the NBA have put up 50/40/90. Nash is one of them...dont know if that means anything but thought it was interesting.

also, to say Marion was more important than Nash is crazy. Marion was important obviously but no where near as important as Nash imo, partly because of the position that Nash played and how dependent that system was on point guard play. Nash made the whole thing go.

as far as bringing up Brevin freaking Knight....I dont understand that at all. That is like bringing up Ricky Davis in a comparison of Kobe Bryant

yea because you guys are looking at brevin knights name, i brought him up because he was up there in assist... all you guys can think "oh brevin knight is a scrub"... but you will not think about the fact that he was averaging high assist numbers... the point i was making is that nash's production could have been replaced by any pass first player who can run, such as brevin knight who averaged 8.8 and 9.0 assist the 2 years nash won mvp... nash is a better player, better shooter at least not too much better at anything else... but brevin knight, he can distrubute the basketball, not just everybody averages 9 assist per game... and on that suns team they could have easily averaged even more assist that's all i'm sayin... that system leads to whoever is running the point averaging more assist... not just anyone can do it, but any good distributor can...

[o_capone]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Numbers don't measure everything.

Nash's decision-making can't be captured in numbers. His heart can't be captured in numbers. His IQ can't be captured in numbers. His vision can't be measured in numbers. His leadership can't be measured in numbers.

my problem is this, if his decision making and his heart and his iq do not produce numbers(aka a players production) then what does it produce that matters? his vision and decision making in my opinion is recorded as points, assist, rebounds, steals, otherwise it's pointless if he does not produce anything out of it... the team with the most points wins... rebounds, assist, scoring, steals, blocks, the stats that are recorded that's what matters... the other stuff is very small in comparison... why do you think the nba records certain stats?

i would love for someone to explain to me, if steve nash is so good... why is it that he did not get all of this attention until he came to that suns system? he only averaged over 8 assist 1 time before that, he was not making all-star teams, he played 8 years before going to phoenix... explain to me why his heart and court vision and decision making did not get him all of this attention in dallas... he had some good seasons don't get me wrong... but he was not an all-star...

[pistoldill]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Steve Nash's fraud *** never won a ring. This is because he was rewarded MVPs he never deserved.

Robert Horry=Dream killer.

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[AlexBrady]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

I don't see Brandon Roy ever winning an MVP

He will never put up the numbers that makes the media say 'wow'. The award is so pointless that I don't even pay attention to it anymore.

[o_capone]

Re: Hollinger's take on past 5 MVP's by the numbers-- Nash and Kob weren't deserving

Steve Nash's fraud *** never won a ring. This is because he was rewarded MVPs he never deserved.

Robert Horry=Dream killer.

and he was never capable or taking a team to that level either... they can rack up wins in the regular season but in the playoffs they will never see an nba final...

what kind of mvp never reaches an nba final? someone please look it up, how many mvps have never been to the nba finals?? they dont even have to go that same year, but at some point i bet most if not all mvps have made it to the nba finals... you know what, i am willing to bet money that steve nash is the only nba mvp to never reach an nba final...