My problem with the NBA and its partners...

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I'd agree with you PrettyT...but this is more hype than Lil Penny and MJ ever had combined.

Almost to the point of hyping a finals matchup that you want... it has never been that obvious, and again because the NBA makes so many money moves, people just dont trust their integrity.

Im sick of puppets and Heineken beer, and Bizmarky all at the same time. Having Magic Johnson on commentating rooting for a team he has a stake in... why not let Mark Cuban do it instead of sitting at games causing trouble, let Stan Kronke(sp?) sit in the booth and tell us how "the Nuggets are supposed to win this thing Stuart" and so on... its ridiculous.

You know as well as I that the perception they give off is not even about the game

[PrettyT11]

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I'd agree with you PrettyT...but this is more hype than Lil Penny and MJ ever had combined.

Almost to the point of hyping a finals matchup that you want... it has never been that obvious, and again because the NBA makes so many money moves, people just dont trust their integrity.

Im sick of puppets and Heineken beer, and Bizmarky all at the same time. Having Magic Johnson on commentating rooting for a team he has a stake in... why not let Mark Cuban do it instead of sitting at games causing trouble, let Stan Kronke(sp?) sit in the booth and tell us how "the Nuggets are supposed to win this thing Stuart" and so on... its ridiculous.

You know as well as I that the perception they give off is not even about the game

I don't know about MJ man lol. He had more commercials than anybody.

I do feel where you coming from though. But when you look at it things have never been like this for Nike to jump on. I mean you got the two best players on the two best teams on your roster. They are the past two MVP's and the top two endorsers in the game. It has NEVER been that way before. Nike would be stupid not to jump on it.

Last year everybody wanted the Lakers and Celtics in the finals. The only reason why you didn't see commercials like now is because Kobe and Garnett where on opposite companies. Garnett was an Addidas and Gatorade man while Kobe is Nike and Coke. They both had thier commercials played alot but they could never be put in at the same time.

During MJ's run there realy wasn't anybody else they could put with him to market. Ewing, Malone, Derexler, and the others weren't moving products or weren't with the same people. The only other guy who got TV time was Barkley. So it wasn't as easy to do.

I just believe it has more to do with big money business than anything else and the economy plays a bigger role than people want to give it credit for. Like you said it the same nike,coke, and beer commercials on ALL THE TIME. They are the ones that can afford it while companies you use to see get commercials just simply can't afford it.

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Its more than just Nike and Coke though, ESPN especially who has a vested stake in the NBA which also include ABC, then throw homer commentators on there, Nike who already had a huge say in the olympic team selection and the trust of the fans starts to wane.

[Jasong7777]

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Im sick of puppets and Heineken beer, and Bizmarky all at the same time.

Tired of the Biz. Say it ain't so.

[sportyguyfl31]

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I dont think anything shady is going on, but the NBA has been dealing with this perception forever.

This doesnt do them any favors.

Shoe companies have no obligation to be objective though.

I have a bigger problem with network studio hosts like Stuart "Mr. Bo-jangles" Scott, turning into a rally girl in Lebron's preseence.

I find that reprehensible.

[KG]

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I'd agree with you PrettyT...but this is more hype than Lil Penny and MJ ever had combined.

Almost to the point of hyping a finals matchup that you want... it has never been that obvious, and again because the NBA makes so many money moves, people just dont trust their integrity.

Im sick of puppets and Heineken beer, and Bizmarky all at the same time. Having Magic Johnson on commentating rooting for a team he has a stake in... why not let Mark Cuban do it instead of sitting at games causing trouble, let Stan Kronke(sp?) sit in the booth and tell us how "the Nuggets are supposed to win this thing Stuart" and so on... its ridiculous.

You know as well as I that the perception they give off is not even about the game

They are hyping it because that is what the majority of people want. We are the minority here, hardcore NBA fans. We are there for Game 1, Game 56, and the last game of the NBA Finals. The general public is not. They tune in for the All-Star game and then check out the Finals. Orlando vs Denver in the Finals might be a good matchup but we all know people won't tune in like they would if it was LA vs Clev. The media just builds the hype because it will benefit them. I see nothing wrong with that. It's business and they do it quite well. It get's us hardcore fans riled up, draws in the casual fan, and creates discussions.

What you're talking about 23 is something different. That's journalistic integrity. It's the main reason why I hate Wilbon. How subjective can your opinion be if you own part of the team like you said or have personal relationships with these people. I agree with your points overall but unless you have a 1 man booth of Mike Breen it will be impossible to be completely bias. There are too many past relationships by the color commentators with franchises/players that you're never gonna get a 100% honest opinion that you can trust.

[Freelance]

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So where is all the people crying about fixes and favortism in the NFL when Peyton Manning is on every other commercial ALL Sunday long and all week long during the season?? I don't see all the complaints and crying about that and Peyton has about 5 different commercials running all day and during the Colts game it even worse. They interview him before the game, halftime, and after the game plus you see him EVERY commercial break. Where is all the crying about that??

It's the same thing people. It's business. Peyton is the number one guy in the NFL just like LeBron and kobe are number one in the NBA. Those are the faces you are going to see cause those are the guys that SELL products.

But I don't think the NFL lets this stuff impact the actual game on the field. I see integrity when I watch the NFL. I don't see that at all in the NBA. The game itself seems like a commercial in the NBA.

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They are hyping it because that is what the majority of people want. We are the minority here, hardcore NBA fans. We are there for Game 1, Game 56, and the last game of the NBA Finals. The general public is not. They tune in for the All-Star game and then check out the Finals. Orlando vs Denver in the Finals might be a good matchup but we all know people won't tune in like they would if it was LA vs Clev. The media just builds the hype because it will benefit them. I see nothing wrong with that. It's business and they do it quite well. It get's us hardcore fans riled up, draws in the casual fan, and creates discussions.

What you're talking about 23 is something different. That's journalistic integrity. It's the main reason why I hate Wilbon. How subjective can your opinion be if you own part of the team like you said or have personal relationships with these people. I agree with your points overall but unless you have a 1 man booth of Mike Breen it will be impossible to be completely bias. There are too many past relationships by the color commentators with franchises/players that you're never gonna get a 100% honest opinion that you can trust.

As far as I've seen and the poll ESPN posted, the general public wanted Denver to beat LA.. that was before Chuck and Kenny's choice words after the 2nd round series.

As far as how many tune in, yes they will definitely because the NBA is a machine that ignores other teams all year long and pump up a few and their players.. thats it

What do you expect to come out of that? Its their fault for ignoring the rest of their league like that. There is no player in this league right now bigger than Mike, so they should let it go. The game itself and the players and teams will naturally progress into what people like... but now alot of it seems manufactured.

The majority dont even trust the league officials.

[sportyguyfl31]

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But I don't think the NFL lets this stuff impact the actual game on the field. I see integrity when I watch the NFL. I don't see that at all in the NBA. The game itself seems like a commercial in the NBA.

The single biggest problem with the NBA is that Stern simply doesnt care about the quality of the officiating.

He can give all of the lip service that he wants, to the contrary, but I do not buy it.

In the NFL, if a official blows a call, the guy is plastered all over TV, and he is humilated..you see his face on sportscenter, every day for a week, and he is banished to work 1 o'clock Detroit Lions home games for a few weeks.

In the NBA you see the same officials butchering these games, over and over again...year after year after year.

[KG]

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But I don't think the NFL lets this stuff impact the actual game on the field. I see integrity when I watch the NFL. I don't see that at all in the NBA. The game itself seems like a commercial in the NBA.

Are you looking for integrity by the players or the refs?

Also, how do you define integrity in a sports manner?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I just view them as just some stupid *** commercials. I ain't really looking into it too hard like some of ya'll are doing. That's not a shot at anybody who does so sorry if it looks like it is.

[KG]

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As far as I've seen and the poll ESPN posted, the general public wanted Denver to beat LA.. that was before Chuck and Kenny's choice words after the 2nd round series.

As far as how many tune in, yes they will definitely because the NBA is a machine that ignores other teams all year long and pump up a few and their players.. thats it

What do you expect to come out of that? Its their fault for ignoring the rest of their league like that. There is no player in this league right now bigger than Mike, so they should let it go. The game itself and the players and teams will naturally progress into what people like... but now alot of it seems manufactured.

The majority dont even trust the league officials.

You can't take an ESPN poll as a real representation. It doesn't capture the casual fan. If you're looking for sports news on the Internet then you're more than a casual fan. It would certainly help to build up the entire league by showcasing all of it's stars but no league works that way. In the NBA it just so happens that the 2 biggest stars are on the 2 best teams record wise.

There might not be a player bigger than Mike but that doesn't mean you should give up trying.

Hype will always be manufactured. With all the access we have to information now we better get used to it. It's only going to get worse.

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You can't take an ESPN poll as a real representation. It doesn't capture the casual fan. If you're looking for sports news on the Internet then you're more than a casual fan. It would certainly help to build up the entire league by showcasing all of it's stars but no league works that way. In the NBA it just so happens that the 2 biggest stars are on the 2 best teams record wise.

There might not be a player bigger than Mike but that doesn't mean you should give up trying.

Hype will always be manufactured. With all the access we have to information now we better get used to it. It's only going to get worse.

ESPN doesnt cater to the casual fan? Please tell me youre kidding man, because its certainly not hardcore at all.

Dwight has been on a pretty big team, the Nuggets have made a tremendous turnaround yet they hardly mention them... ESPN jock rides all year long and toss with the wind when it changes. They're the definition of the flavor of the week network... thats all that really is.

Its not just this year its every year... there is a reason why its turned off alot of fans... you can search OS alone and see that. I cant help you if you really believe what youre saying above.

[Bornindamecca]

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Internet polls are always a more hardcore crowd than the mainstream casual base. Casual fans don't participate in polls, or read up on the internet. An ESPN poll doesn't represent the most hardcore fan, nor does it represent the average joe who just turns on the game. Anyone who participates in an ESPN poll watches sports all the time, and that is the very opposite of "casual".

BTW, that's a marketing fact true for almost any internet poll, not just ESPN.

[KG]

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ESPN doesnt cater to the casual fan? Please tell me youre kidding man, because its certainly not hardcore at all.

Dwight has been on a pretty big team, the Nuggets have made a tremendous turnaround yet they hardly mention them... ESPN jock rides all year long and toss with the wind when it changes. They're the definition of the flavor of the week network... thats all that really is.

Its not just this year its every year... there is a reason why its turned off alot of fans... you can search OS alone and see that. I cant help you if you really believe what youre saying above.

No, I was saying espn.com and putting a poll on there doesn't cater to the casual fan meaning that you have to actively go to espn.com and vote. I don't see the casual fan doing that.

Look, I HATE ESPN with a passion. They dumb down sports and force stories down your throat. With all that said, I don't disagree with them hyping up the 2 best teams in the league all year that have the 2 best players on them. People would rather hear about a top team then one's who are hoovering around .500. There's nothing new in that.