How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

[GSW]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

I guess he didn't have the since of entitlement then as he does now.

or maybe he knew they had no chance to beat that team... and he really thought they could beat the magic, therefore when the team lost he was extremly upset.

[GSW]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

"build me up, break me down, build me up again, they like Hov we need u back...so we can kill your (behind) again"

- Jay z Grammy Family Freestyle Hot 97/Funkmaster Flex

never lied.

[JBH3]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

or maybe he knew they had no chance to beat that team... and he really thought they could beat the magic, therefore when the team lost he was extremly upset.

Who is extremely happy after a loss?

Everyone is extremely upset after a loss, Lebron is no different. His loss is no more "tragic" than Carmelo's or Dirk's or Allen's or Rose's. The fact that he acted the way he did doesn't just make him arrogant. It puts him on a whole other level of arrogance. The kind where the world revolves around me ...the Global icon...who wants the media's help in making him a global icon, but dictates the terms.

Yet...Lebron felt he was above all other competitor's who've lost a tough series -- when being the favorite -- because he's a "Winner", a "Competitor", those who came before him were not? They were not upset?

We can keep going in circles, or people can just agree w/ most everybody that he's wrong in every way regardless of how you try and slice it.

[Jasong7777]

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Lebron is going to go crazy if he doesn't win a ring soon.

[PrettyT11]

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The PROBLEM is those kids are ignorant, and Lebron -- A polarizing figure -- only JUSTIFIES their ignorance.

That's THE problem...I never stated that they were perfect and now, given Lebron's actions, it's all his fault. You can't quote me anywhere saying that, but you can twist my words/context to suit your argument.

It's the fact that he just breeds more ignorance into an alreay compounded problem.

Wow and I will say it again WOW. So now these same kids who haven't been TAUGHT the RIGHT WAY to do something are ignorant?? Come man I expected more from you than that. To just flat out say somebody who hasn't been taught they right way to do something is ignorant is a very ignorant thing to say. You can't expect somebody to do things they haven't been taught to do. That is why they are IN school or play ORGANIZED ball is to LEARN THE RIGHT WAY TO DO SOMETHING.

When you joined the Marines you didn't know everything about thier policies and procedures but I bet you didn't call yourself ignorant for it.

Oh and you said it was LeBron's fault. You said the kids in her class said they wouldn't do it to. Then proceded to go on and on about how it's his fault and he is sending the wrong message to kids, being a horrible role model, and setting a trend for more to come.<!-- / message -->

[GSW]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

Who is extremely happy after a loss?

Everyone is extremely upset after a loss, Lebron is no different. His loss is no more "tragic" than Carmelo's or Dirk's or Allen's or Rose's. The fact that he acted the way he did doesn't just make him arrogant. It puts him on a whole other level of arrogance. The kind where the world revolves around me ...the Global icon...who wants the media's help in making him a global icon, but dictates the terms.

Yet...Lebron felt he was above all other competitor's who've lost a tough series -- when being the favorite -- because he's a "Winner", a "Competitor", those who came before him were not? They were not upset?

We can keep going in circles, or people can just agree w/ me that my opinion is right, and that he's wrong in every way regardless of how you try and slice it.

fixed.

and, i just dont believe in crucifying someone and attacking thier character over something so trivial as not shaking a hand after losing.

maybe thats just me though.

[JBH3]

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Wow and I will say it again WOW. So now these same kids who haven't been TAUGHT the RIGHT WAY to do something are ignorant?? Come man I expected more from you than that. To just flat out say somebody who hasn't been taught they right way to do something is ignorant is a very ignorant thing to say. You can't expect somebody to do things they haven't been taught to do. That is why they are IN school or play ORGANIZED ball is to LEARN THE RIGHT WAY TO DO SOMETHING.

When you joined the Marines you didn't know everything about thier policies and procedures but I bet you didn't call yourself ignorant for it.

Oh and you said it was LeBron's fault. You said the kids in her class said they wouldn't do it to. Then proceded to go on and on about how it's his fault and he is sending the wrong message to kids, being a horrible role model, and setting a trend for more to come.<!-- / message -->

It's not that they haven't been taught, it's that it hasn't been reinforced, and Lebron's actions/comments certainly justifies what they believe to fine/ok/correct.

I use the word "ignorance" because my wife TEACHES them everyday, and they don't learn from her - yet are being taught.

They're might be a select few who've never been given the opportunity to know the difference, and to those YES my statement does them an injustice. But most are aware, but refuse to believe/accept this behavior as poor/unacceptable.

Again...if it wasn't for the fact that I KNOW them to be ignorant, after an entire schoolyear of my wife talking about a lot of these kids and their refusal to learn, then I'd be wrong.

The fact that I do know proves otherwise, but I'll commend you on your efforts to try and catch me slippin. :wink:

[JBH3]

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fixed.

and, i just dont believe in crucifying someone and attacking thier character over something so trivial as not shaking a hand after losing.

maybe thats just me though.

Again...it's not JUST the gesture...it's the comments to the media, not speaking to the media, the as quick as possible exit off the court, the fact he's done it more than once, an email sent to Dwight congratulating him...

It's a slew of things, but thanks for your cutesy "fixed" remark/edit...as if you're not trying to prove a point w/ your storm of posts coming into this thread now.











"I'm a Witness."

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

SMH This thread has gone a whole other direction now.

[GSW]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

Again...it's not JUST the gesture...it's the comments to the media, not speaking to the media, the as quick as possible exit off the court, the fact he's done it more than once, an email sent to Dwight congratulating him...

It's a slew of things, but thanks for your cutesy "fixed" remark/edit...as if you're not trying to prove a point w/ your storm of posts coming into this thread now.











"I'm a Witness."

only point im trying to prove is you're going overboard with your tirade.



I dont personally expect athletes to do ANYTHING. They arent role models to me, nor should the be role models for anyone else.

If they do things out of pocket, or things i wouldnt agree with i dont go on huge crusades crucifying them and saying how they are lacking in morals or have character issues...its not my place.

they have thier own lives..some are good at faking it, and acting genuine. (kobe,T-mac,LeBron to an extent)

others just dont care (Rasheed)...they are athletes that happen to play my favorite sport.

Nothing more...If i had a child and he wanted to emulate one of these atheltes, i would stress this point to him, and make sure they only try to emulate the actions on the court during the sport(taking parts of their game,etc), not the actions of the person...regardless of how "good" they may be

Thats me though.

[JBH3]

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SMH This thread has gone a whole other direction now.

Yea...close it/ onto the Finals.

[NovaStar]

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But how is a NIKE commercial disrespectful to Dwight and the Magic?? It's not like it was an NBA commercial or a commercial done by a company that DWIGHT or the MAGIC is involved with. Now correct me if I'm wrong but not ONE TIME in ANY of those commercials did it say that Kobe and LeBron would be playing in the Finals. On top of that the second commercial was Kobe making fun of LeBron for NOT winning any championships. Lastly the commercials where about MVP'S not the finals, not the Lakers, or the Cavs. It was all aout those two being the last two MVP's. So if Dwight was an MVP or an Nike endorser then he should feel bad but since he is NOT then he shouldn't feel ANYTHING about it at all.




But he did accept defeat and gave them credit. He said they kicked his ***. Granted his approach and what he said wasn't right but he did say they kicked his ***.

But the part I find funny is you are saying people are being too emotional and then yet you turn around and go on and on about how LeBron is acting like a girl or a bitch. So let me ask you this. Leaving the court right after a crushing loss is acting like a girl?? Acting like a girl or a bitch would be standing on the court crying or running around making excuses for the loss. He was pissed and left. Being mad and leaving without speaking is just that. I didn't that equaled being a girl or a bitch. Leaving without talking to the press is somewhat wrong but I didn't know NOT talking made you a girl or a bitch. Again being a girl or a bitch would be sitting there crying, pouting, and making a excuses and saying they really didn't beat you.

Yes he was wrong for his actions but to say he was acting like a girl or a bitch is just as wrong. Calling him ANYTHING outside of a poor loser or showing bad sportsmanship in THIS incident is going overboard.

Let me ask you a question. Where did the term King James originate? The NBA or Nike? Point being, regardless if a campaign is not officially NBA protocol it can be perceived and accepted as such. What Dwight Howard and Kenyon Martin perceived was that the puppet commercial campaign was a back door way of saying Lebron and Kobe were going to be in the finals. The NBA wanted it, the fans (most of them) seem to want it, and David Stern most definitely wanted. What Nike puts forth in their various campaigns more often than not become NBA reality, or desired NBA reality. It was not unreasonable for both Dwight and Kenyon to perceive the Nike commercial as an extension of an NBA want.

Let me ask you another question. Since you said that the commercial was exalting present and former NBA MVP's, now that Lebron won't be meeting Kobe in the finals, do you think that they will continue the campaign? I mean, Lebron is still the MVP right? And if they do show another puppet ad, it will probably be to bring closure to the puppet campaign. I seriously doubt that it will be ongoing. I firmly believe, and most probably would agree that the commercials were done in anticipation of a Lebron and Kobe finals. I don't know why you can't seem to see that.

[PrettyT11]

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It's not that they haven't been taught, it's that it hasn't been reinforced, and Lebron's actions/comments certainly justifies what they believe to fine/ok/correct.

I use the word "ignorance" because my wife TEACHES them everyday, and they don't learn from her - yet are being taught.

They're might be a select few who've never been given the opportunity to know the difference, and to those YES my statement does them an injustice. But most are aware, but refuse to believe/accept this behavior as poor/unacceptable.

Again...if it wasn't for the fact that I KNOW them to be ignorant, after an entire schoolyear of my wife talking about a lot of these kids and their refusal to learn, then I'd be wrong.

The fact that I do know proves otherwise, but I'll commend you on your efforts to try and catch me slippin. :wink:

I will leave it at this cause like somebody has already stated you are coming off with this higher than thou attitude. The whole reason I came with the question is because I have been in the situation as teacher/coach to kids in an area that I'm sure is just as bad if not and probably is worse than that your wife teaches. And some if not most of those kids would just as much fight you or cuss you out than congradulate you after a game. After growing up with thier older brothers and sister and knowing where they come from and thier influences at home I KNEW that they never had the proper direction. But I worked with them, related to them, and tried to show them a different way to handle things. Not saying I am or was the perfect teacher/coach but without the right teaching/coaching it has no effect on them.

But I like how you can just throw everybody into this pre fit boxes and such. You have NO idea what those kids go through at home or see on a day to day basis cause you are NOT WITH them.

NO you don't KNOW them to be ignorant. You don't see them or are with them on a first hand basis. You are getting SECOND HAND info and stories from a VERY biased person that chances are you are going to believe ANYWAY. I have heard teachers/coaches who where there with me say the same thing and be wrong as hell. They weren't teaching anything. They where basically barking orders and leaving it at that. That's not teaching. Not everybody can learn or do things the same way you or I did them so you can't expect for them do the same. I don't know what your wife's teaching methods are and can't comment on them cause I DON'T KNOW. Just like you DON'T KNOW for fact that they are ignorant. You are taking somebody else's word for it.

So until you are in that classroom YOURSELF or are trying to teach them YOURSELF then you don't know. But nice try trying to put everybody into your preconceived boxes.

[GSW]

Re: How do you feel about congratulating your opponent after a loss?

Yea...close it/ onto the Finals.

[JBH3]

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I will leave it at this cause like somebody has already stated you are coming off with this higher than thou attitude. The whole reason I came with the question is because I have been in the situation as teacher/coach to kids in an area that I'm sure is just as bad if not and probably is worse than that your wife teaches. And some if not most of those kids would just as much fight you or cuss you out than congradulate you after a game. After growing up with thier older brothers and sister and knowing where they come from and thier influences at home I KNEW that they never had the proper direction. But I worked with them, related to them, and tried to show them a different way to handle things. Not saying I am or was the perfect teacher/coach but without the right teaching/coaching it has no effect on them.

But I like how you can just throw everybody into this pre fit boxes and such. You have NO idea what those kids go through at home or see on a day to day basis cause you are NOT WITH them.

NO you don't KNOW them to be ignorant. You don't see them or are with them on a first hand basis. You are getting SECOND HAND info and stories from a VERY biased person that chances are you are going to believe ANYWAY. I have heard teachers/coaches who where there with me say the same thing and be wrong as hell. They weren't teaching anything. They where basically barking orders and leaving it at that. That's not teaching. Not everybody can learn or do things the same way you or I did them so you can't expect for them do the same. I don't know what your wife's teaching methods are and can't comment on them cause I DON'T KNOW. Just like you DON'T KNOW for fact that they are ignorant. You are taking somebody else's word for it.

So until you are in that classroom YOURSELF or are trying to teach them YOURSELF then you don't know. But nice try trying to put everybody into your preconceived boxes.

First, you know nothing of my wife, and the very struggles she goes through and the good she's tried to do at her school.

She's one of the few teachers who makes herself available anytime of the day when she is not teaching. Countless students come to her w/ their problems, request her for next year because they like her so much, she's bought bras and panties for less fortunate girls who have none. She's tried starting a care-closet to donate used clothing to students, but she was shutdown for fear that some students would ridicule others if they saw "Jimmy" wearing their T-Shirt.

So when I get "SECOND HAND" information, I'm not getting it from a BIASED source. I'm actually getting it from the most honest and reliable source there is, and it's being explained to me w/ out exaggeration.

My wife "vents" daily about what she goes through w/ a lot of these kids, and AGAIN she's always available to help them, yet they refuse to stay after school for extra help when they know they need it.