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  • Cebby
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    • Apr 2005
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    #16
    Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

    I think the bigger question is does Dwight Howard get the advantage of 3 years of college to teach him how to do anything on offense?

    I think there's no question that he'd be behind Shaq and Hakeem.

    I think he was also behind Ewing and Robinson at the time. I would rank him 5th, and maybe even 6th.

    Put him against real centers and his offensive game goes from limited to bad. I think he'd be averaging no more than 15-17 points a game in that time period.

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    • KG
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      #17
      Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

      Originally posted by Cebby
      I think the bigger question is does Dwight Howard get the advantage of 3 years of college to teach him how to do anything on offense?

      I think there's no question that he'd be behind Shaq and Hakeem.

      I think he was also behind Ewing and Robinson at the time. I would rank him 5th, and maybe even 6th.

      Put him against real centers and his offensive game goes from limited to bad. I think he'd be averaging no more than 15-17 points a game in that time period.
      Maybe defensively but offensively most of the great NBA centers were much better in the NBA. I see his game as very Shawn Kemp-esque
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      • fistofrage
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        #18
        Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

        Seems like Howard forgets his game if there is he is:

        a: Playing someone taller than him
        b: Playing someone who gets real physical

        Its almost like he suffers from being the biggest fish in the pond his whole life. He has the raw talent, but he hasn't developed it enough at this point that he can create good looks against the better or even taller talent in the league.
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        • X*Cell
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          • Sep 2002
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          #19
          Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

          Originally posted by ehh
          That's one area we debated a lot. Ewing's knees were already starting to go and Robinson was never a great defender, though Andrew Bynum simply going straight up has been affective against Howard (if you ignore the countless idiotic fouls Bynum commits). Back in '95 I doubt the Knicks or Spurs would lend much help to Ewing/Robinson so Howard may have more time to operate as well.
          Robinson was never a great defender!? He won the 1992 Defensive player of the year award, and was on the All-Defensive first team 4 times... including 1995!
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          • ehh
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            • Mar 2003
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            #20
            Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

            Originally posted by X*Cell
            Robinson was never a great defender!? He won the 1992 Defensive player of the year award, and was on the All-Defensive first team 4 times... including 1995!
            And Derek Jeter has three Gold Gloves.
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            • faster
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              • Dec 2002
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              #21
              Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

              I don't know. This seems like insanity. Many of those guys on the list would massacre Howard. He has no handles and no real offensive game. He's solid on defense, ok, I get that. Put him against Ewing and Robinson and they would make him look like a little girl. And they were big and strong in their own right as well. And Mourning...... there's no way in the world he's not light years ahead of Howard. Mourning was a great rebounder and shot blocker and a fantastic offensive presence. He had good post moves and could step back and hit little jumpers. Myself, after watching this Laker series, I'm so unimpressed I can't even put it into words. With all this hype you'd think he was unstoppable. Instead, he comes off as a no hands, no offensive lug, who makes his living on power and defense. He's young, ok, but let's not get carried away.
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              • ZB9
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                • Nov 2004
                • 18387

                #22
                Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                Howard wouldnt have any more post moves in 95 than he does now, or better hands

                if anything, he would be worse considering there were overall much better centers in the league

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                • ZB9
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                  • Nov 2004
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                  #23
                  Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                  Originally posted by AlexBrady
                  3rd behind Olajuwon and O'neal (in that order).

                  Robinson was an overrated man defender, couldn't rebound in a crowd, couldn't make clutch jumpers or clutch free throws, and was a mediocre passer.

                  Ewing could do everything except defend his own man, corral tough rebounds, throw accurate passes, and make clutch shots.

                  Divac was a pathetic post defender, played scared in the clutch, and was generally pushed around.

                  Mutumbo was a great shot blocker, a solid post defender, and a good rebounder. Still, his offensive arsenal wasn't all that.

                  Alonzo Mourning was a mediocre post defender and tried to block every shot he could see. He was easily lured away from the basket in his efforts to swat balls. Oh yeah, he couldn't consistently deliver in the clutch.
                  Robinson, Ewing, and Mourning were better than Dwight Howard...and Mutombo and Divac were probably closer to Howard than you think
                  Last edited by ZB9; 06-09-2009, 10:21 PM.

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                  • J_Posse
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                    • Jun 2005
                    • 11255

                    #24
                    Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                    Please, people throwing alot of hate D-Rob's way, but he was one of the most complete bigmen ever. People use that one series against Hakeem (at Olujawon's peak) as a barometer of his overall career. I'm tried of people saying he was a "sub-par" defender, bull, dude was a good if not great post defender. He regularly guarded Shaq one-on-one and did it better than anyone ever could. He would run laps around Dwight Howard and every other center currently in the NBA. Show me the center that's averaging more than 30 PPG, 10 RPG, 3 BPG, 2 SPG, and 4 APG, then I'll gladly say he's better than David Robinson.
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                    • ZB9
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                      • Nov 2004
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                      #25
                      Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                      Originally posted by J_Posse512
                      He would run laps around Dwight Howard and every other center currently in the NBA. Show me the center that's averaging more than 30 PPG, 10 RPG, 3 BPG, 2 SPG, and 4 APG, then I'll gladly say he's better than David Robinson.
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                      • BigDofBA
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                        #26
                        Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                        Originally posted by ZB9
                        Robinson, Ewing, and Mourning were better than Dwight Howard...and Mutombo and Divac were probably closer to Howard than you think
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                        • J_Posse
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                          #27
                          Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                          Originally posted by ZB9
                          quoted for truth
                          He's gotta be the most disrespceted great player ever, IMO. People always have reason to throw jabs at him, yet he's got more hardware than most, if not all of the *****'s favorite player. :wink:
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                          • chance
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                            #28
                            Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                            Hey if Divac and Smits are bolded shouldnt Vin Baker be he was a all star back in the day???

                            But more on topic I think he would have to be placed a 5 behind Dream,Shaq,Ewing and Robinson. I also think Dwight's post game is better than people give him credit for(here and the tv people) I see him use his little running jump hook all the time and make it more than he misses. With both the right and left hands
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                            • pfunk880
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                              • Jul 2004
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                              #29
                              Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                              Originally posted by chance
                              Hey if Divac and Smits are bolded shouldnt Vin Baker be he was a all star back in the day???

                              But more on topic I think he would have to be placed a 5 behind Dream,Shaq,Ewing and Robinson. I also think Dwight's post game is better than people give him credit for(here and the tv people) I see him use his little running jump hook all the time and make it more than he misses. With both the right and left hands
                              Baker wasn't a true center, though. The Bucks didn't have one.

                              As for the rest of your post, I completely agree.
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                              • MattUMD224

                                #30
                                Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                                no lie me and a friend got into fights with other friend about this on how Centers now would be dominated from Centers from back then.

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