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    MVP
    • Dec 2002
    • 2182

    #31
    Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

    Originally posted by J_Posse512
    Please, people throwing alot of hate D-Rob's way, but he was one of the most complete bigmen ever. People use that one series against Hakeem (at Olujawon's peak) as a barometer of his overall career. I'm tried of people saying he was a "sub-par" defender, bull, dude was a good if not great post defender. He regularly guarded Shaq one-on-one and did it better than anyone ever could. He would run laps around Dwight Howard and every other center currently in the NBA. Show me the center that's averaging more than 30 PPG, 10 RPG, 3 BPG, 2 SPG, and 4 APG, then I'll gladly say he's better than David Robinson.
    whew... thanks, I was starting to doubt if there were any sane people left.......
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    • ZB9
      Hall Of Fame
      • Nov 2004
      • 18387

      #32
      Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

      Originally posted by BigDofBA
      Divac?
      Howard is better than Divac was. That is obvious. They are on different "tiers".

      I said the gap between those two probably wasnt as big as what people think, but I probably made a mistake because the gap is pretty large between those two imo. What i MEANT to say is that Divac was a pretty underrated all around team player imo and might have given Howard some problems.
      Last edited by ZB9; 06-10-2009, 05:52 AM.

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      • ZB9
        Hall Of Fame
        • Nov 2004
        • 18387

        #33
        Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

        Originally posted by J_Posse512
        He's gotta be the most disrespceted great player ever, IMO. People always have reason to throw jabs at him, yet he's got more hardware than most, if not all of the *****'s favorite player. :wink:
        no doubt man, and it's probably because of one series against Hakeem...but Robinson isnt the only great player to have problems with Hakeem.

        Howard hasnt had to go up against a center the caliber of either Hakeem or Robinson in the playoffs
        Last edited by ZB9; 06-10-2009, 05:43 AM.

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #34
          Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

          Originally posted by chance
          Hey if Divac and Smits are bolded shouldnt Vin Baker be he was a all star back in the day???
          Yeah Vin was a PF that is why I didn't bold him.
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          • aswoioshr
            Rookie
            • Nov 2003
            • 233

            #35
            Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

            i would have liked to see yao play back then. i think he would fare better than dhoward. yao may not be as strong as some of those guys but his strength is still capable. yao plays shaq pretty well and he only has problems with smaller quicker guys. and main problem he has is fronting defense which im sure they dont do back then =D

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            • sportyguyfl31
              MVP
              • Nov 2005
              • 4745

              #36
              Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

              Originally posted by aswoioshr
              i would have liked to see yao play back then. i think he would fare better than dhoward. yao may not be as strong as some of those guys but his strength is still capable. yao plays shaq pretty well and he only has problems with smaller quicker guys. and main problem he has is fronting defense which im sure they dont do back then =D
              Yao would be fine, because he is skilled, and has a shooting touch. I wonder how he'd hold up health wise though.

              He isnt exactly the pillar of durability as it is, and the paint wasnt a place for the faint of heart in the early and mid 90's.

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              • Dice
                Sitting by the door
                • Jul 2002
                • 6627

                #37
                Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                Originally posted by faster
                I don't know. This seems like insanity. Many of those guys on the list would massacre Howard. He has no handles and no real offensive game. He's solid on defense, ok, I get that. Put him against Ewing and Robinson and they would make him look like a little girl. And they were big and strong in their own right as well. And Mourning...... there's no way in the world he's not light years ahead of Howard. Mourning was a great rebounder and shot blocker and a fantastic offensive presence. He had good post moves and could step back and hit little jumpers. Myself, after watching this Laker series, I'm so unimpressed I can't even put it into words. With all this hype you'd think he was unstoppable. Instead, he comes off as a no hands, no offensive lug, who makes his living on power and defense. He's young, ok, but let's not get carried away.
                Agree totally.

                Here's a run-down of those centers vs 09 Howard:
                Atlanta: Andrew Lang
                Lang length would bother Howard. But in the end, Howard would use brute strength to get his way.

                Boston: Eric Montross
                Slow and nonathletic. Howard would beat him in on raw ability.

                Charlotte: Alonzo Mourning
                For anyone who thinks Howard would own Mourning in his prime doesn't know much about 90's basketball...or maybe just doesn't know basketball period.

                Chicago: Will Perdue
                Actually, Longley was the starter by the end of that season. See Eric Montross if you want to know what I think he'll do against Perdue.

                Cleveland: Hot Rod Williams
                Cagey veteran who would give Howard problems. Wouldn't dominate Howard but would have an advantage because of his savy.

                Dallas: Lorenzo Williams
                The only thing he possibly keep up with Howard in is rebounding. Anything else is Howard's to own.

                Denver: Dikembe Mutombo
                As someone mentioned in an earlier post, a 40 year old Mutombo did a decent job against Howard. I would believe that he would be able to contain Howard in his prime.

                Detroit: Mark West
                West to me was never that good in his prime. He was no better at 34. Advantage: Howard

                Golden State: Cliff Rozier/Rony Seikaly
                Neither was that skilled nor were either physically capable to keep up with Howard.

                Houston: Hakeem Olajuwon
                For anyone who thinks Howard could complete with Olajuwon...PLEASE STOP IT NOW! You put him in a 7-game series against Olajuwon and he would literally end Howard's career due to embarrassment.

                Indiana: Rik Smits
                Smits would give him problems due to the fact that he's 7'4" and he has some range on his jumpshiot.

                LA Clippers: Loy Vaught (didn't start a true C)
                Don't let the stats fool you. He may have had some good numbers but just remember Vaught played for the Clippers. He might have the same numbers against Howard but his team would have lost by 20.

                LA Lakers: Vlade Divac
                Nobody gives Divac credit but he would have Howard in foul trouble with all the flopping he did. Divac was a master at it.

                Miami: Kevin Willis
                Probably one of the few guys Howard wouldn't have muscled. Willis was as strong, maybe stronger, than Howard.

                Milwaukee: Vin Baker (didn't start a true C)
                Here is where Howard would face a a guy who is probably comparable to him. Except Howard was stronger and Baker had a better jumpshot.

                Minnesota: Sean Rooks
                Wouldn't have too hard of a time against Rooks.

                New Jersey: PJ Brown
                Brown would frustrate Howard defensively because Brown is a 'position' defender where Brown is real good at denying certain spots on the floor for Howard to get to.

                New York: Patrick Ewing
                Ewing is bigger and more skilled than Howard.

                Orlando: Shaq O'Neal
                Although far from his prime, Shaq would just use his brute strength to push over Howard. And Howard wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

                Philadelphia: Shawn Bradley
                Bradley with his size would give Howard fits. However, Bradley wouldn't get anything on offense either.

                Phoenix: AC Green
                Green is another crafty veteran Howard would have problems with.

                Portland: Chris Dudley
                Dudley was a horrible one-on-one defender but a good help defender. But with Howard's limited range, he would still make Dudley effective with his help defense.

                Sacramento: Olden Polynice
                Polynice was the typical 'average' center back then. Not good enough to be an all-star center and not bad enough to be in Will Perdue's class. However, Howard should be able to handle Polynice because there was nothing special Polynice did.

                San Antonio: David Robinson
                As much as people hate Robinson, he was longer, faster, quicker and more skilled than Howard. Howard would have needed a career game to keep up with Robinson.

                Seattle: Sam Perkins
                Another savvy veteran who would have given Howard problems. Plus, he was a lefty who could shoot threes. Even more trouble for Howard.

                Utah: James Donaldson
                Donaldson at that time should have retired years ago. If he was to face Howard one-on-one Howard would have made him retire after the game.

                Washington: Gheorge Muresan
                Another taller guy who would give Howard fits. But Howard would have one advantage and that's in the transition game.
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                • ehh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 28962

                  #38
                  Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                  Originally posted by Dice
                  Chicago: Will Perdue
                  Actually, Longley was the starter by the end of that season. See Eric Montross if you want to know what I think he'll do against Perdue.
                  Longley didn't start a single regular season game in '94-'95, Perdue started all 78 games he played.

                  Checkout the latest Chicago Bulls Roster and Stats for 1994-95 on Basketball-Reference.com
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                  • yvesdereuter
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 1688

                    #39
                    Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                    Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                    Yao would be fine, because he is skilled, and has a shooting touch. I wonder how he'd hold up health wise though.

                    He isnt exactly the pillar of durability as it is, and the paint wasnt a place for the faint of heart in the early and mid 90's.
                    Yeah, one of the better centers that year was Rik Smits and a big reason was because of his ability to shoot from a variety of places often drawing his guy away from the basket.

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                    • HMcCoy
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8212

                      #40
                      Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                      Today's Howard plopped into 1995 would probably have went to college, and had far better back to the basket skills given the better competition at the position he'd get to see and talk to night in and night out, and far greater peer pressure he'd feel as a post player trying to make a name for himself.

                      Also, it was alot easier to score in the post when defenses could sag so far off, and provide help as quickly...Howard would be alot more effective without defenses collapsing on him the nanosecond he receives the ball. It only takes an instant to power dribble and/or gather for a shot. Being able to fully spread a defense in an inside out attack gave those centers that extra moment to work with. It gets swept under the rug, but there is a reason true back to the basket centers are almost totally extinct. Thanks Shaq!

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                      • Dice
                        Sitting by the door
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 6627

                        #41
                        Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        Longley didn't start a single regular season game in '94-'95, Perdue started all 78 games he played.

                        http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1995.html
                        Your right. I was looking at the 93-94 season when Longley started started 17 games for the Bulls because Cartwright couldn't stay healthy.
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                        • youvalss
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                          • Feb 2007
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                          #42
                          Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                          Not sure what Howard could do against all others, but I'm pretty sure Olajuwon would get Howard to foul-out every game. Howard would get 1 block and 6 fouls thanks to Olajuwon's AMAZING fakes.
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                          • The C
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 7538

                            #43
                            Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                            Why does everyone think Howard would develop better in college?

                            He pretty much only has to worry about the NBA. A college coach wouldn't give a damn about teaching him any post moves. College coaches only care about winning the NCAA

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                            • Cebby
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 22327

                              #44
                              Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                              Originally posted by The C
                              Why does everyone think Howard would develop better in college?

                              He pretty much only has to worry about the NBA. A college coach wouldn't give a damn about teaching him any post moves. College coaches only care about winning the NCAA
                              Had he have gone to college in the 80s or 90s, some post moves would have been required if his coaches wanted a chip.

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                              • The C
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 7538

                                #45
                                Re: If Dwight Howard circa '09 was plopped into 1995...

                                Originally posted by Cebby
                                Had he have gone to college in the 80s or 90s, some post moves would have been required if his coaches wanted a chip.
                                Fair enough.

                                It's pretty obvious now that the attitude is get em, chip em, and ship em.

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