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  • gbeazy
    Rookie
    • Jan 2009
    • 211

    #76
    Re: Ariza to HOU, [when it's official, shouldn't we make a new thread?]

    Originally posted by Brankles
    The Rockets are foolish if they're planning to build their team around Trevor Ariza. The guy is an athlete who can play defense, knock down jumpers and finish at the rim, but I will be very surprised if he becomes an All-Star at any point in his career.

    He was a role player on the Magic and he was a role player on the Lakers, and while his shot attempts, offensive involvement and stats will increase in Houston, he is at best a third option. Houston fans better hope Yao and TMac come back soon, or they will be a lottery team.
    I don't think anyone here is planning on building a team around him. Which is why he got paid what he got paid. But he reminds me of when McGrady went from Tor. to Orl. min, shots, and confidence all go up. And his statements in the paper this morning have me kinda pumped.

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    • SportsTop
      The Few. The Proud.
      • Jul 2003
      • 6716

      #77
      Re: Ariza to HOU, [when it's official, shouldn't we make a new thread?]

      All of this new hype surrounding Ariza amazes me. It's almost reaching Larry Brown (the football player) status. A very average player with a very good post-season and turns that into "next" superstar status.

      Ariza has yet to prove much over a full season. I would be very cautious in expecting too much from him with Houston considering the line-up they'll be fielding next year.
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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #78
        Re: Ariza to HOU

        I know there's been some overrating of Ariza, but for what HOU paid him, it wasn't that bad of a deal. He isn't getting paid big money.

        If he can develop some ball handling he has a real shot at taking it to another level.. and he's only 23.

        Like I've said numerous times in the past though, I don't ever see him being an All-Star. And he'll never be anything other than a borderline 3rd wheel.

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        • SportsTop
          The Few. The Proud.
          • Jul 2003
          • 6716

          #79
          Re: Ariza to HOU

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          I know there's been some overrating of Ariza, but for what HOU paid him, it wasn't that bad of a deal. He isn't getting paid big money.

          If he can develop some ball handling he has a real shot at taking it to another level.. and he's only 23.

          Like I've said numerous times in the past though, I don't ever see him being an All-Star. And he'll never be anything other than a borderline 3rd wheel.
          I don't think it's a horrible signing, especially for what they signed him for, but some of the expectations I've read (even in the L.A. papers before he left) are absurd.
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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #80
            Re: Ariza to HOU

            Originally posted by Squint
            I don't think it's a horrible signing, especially for what they signed him for, but some of the expectations I've read (even in the L.A. papers before he left) are absurd.
            Yeah there are definitely some things I have disagreed with in terms of the scouting of Ariza since July 1st.

            The Rockets offered Trevor Ariza the one thing the Lakers could not.

            They did not offer a greater salary than the Lakers or Cavaliers and actually came in with an offer almost $9 million less than the Toronto Raptors. They certainly cannot claim the immediate chance to chase another title that would be come with a return to Los Angeles or jump to Cleveland.

            The Rockets could, however, offer the one thing he needed most. They really, really needed him.

            "I'm not a greedy person and the Lakers know I'm not a greedy person," Ariza said. "You can see it in the way I play. I just want to play for a team that wants me, the team that gives me the chance to improve my game.

            "I'm excited about it because I'm getting an opportunity to play. They were the team that showed the most interest in me, and that was all I wanted."

            With Ariza's decision to accept the five-year deal worth roughly $33 million, the Rockets and Lakers effectively swapped free agents, with Ron Artest going to Los Angeles and Ariza going from triumph with the Lakers to opportunity with the Rockets.

            "I'm a champion," he said. "And I'm a Houston Rocket."

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            • SportsTop
              The Few. The Proud.
              • Jul 2003
              • 6716

              #81
              Re: Ariza to HOU

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              Yeah there are definitely some things I have disagreed with in terms of the scouting of Ariza since July 1st.

              The Rockets offered Trevor Ariza the one thing the Lakers could not.

              They did not offer a greater salary than the Lakers or Cavaliers and actually came in with an offer almost $9 million less than the Toronto Raptors. They certainly cannot claim the immediate chance to chase another title that would be come with a return to Los Angeles or jump to Cleveland.

              The Rockets could, however, offer the one thing he needed most. They really, really needed him.

              "I'm not a greedy person and the Lakers know I'm not a greedy person," Ariza said. "You can see it in the way I play. I just want to play for a team that wants me, the team that gives me the chance to improve my game.

              "I'm excited about it because I'm getting an opportunity to play. They were the team that showed the most interest in me, and that was all I wanted."

              With Ariza's decision to accept the five-year deal worth roughly $33 million, the Rockets and Lakers effectively swapped free agents, with Ron Artest going to Los Angeles and Ariza going from triumph with the Lakers to opportunity with the Rockets.

              "I'm a champion," he said. "And I'm a Houston Rocket."
              I don't buy it.

              If you don't think playing with, arguably, the best player in the game and one of the greatest all-time, along with the greatest coach of all-time is the best opportunity to improve your game then I don't know what is.

              The only way Ariza doesn't believe the Lakers want him after this post-season is if he (or his agent) had to convince himself of that.

              Good luck Trevor...you'll need it.
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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #82
                Re: Ariza to HOU

                Man I just feel bad all the way around.. it's obvious his agent hypnotized dude word to David Faulk.

                HOU will probably start from the ground up starting this year, so who knows, things could turn around within the next 3 years. Trevor won't be a factor without 3 main options before him.

                Him leaving wouldn't have been as disappointing if he wasn't actually from LA.

                At first I wasn't really upset that he left, but the more I think about it the more I think it's sucky.

                Oh well, Ron's in town now guess that'll have to do

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                • Fiasco West
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2820

                  #83
                  Re: Ariza to HOU

                  I think what Ariza meant is that he can improve his value for his next contract by playing on a team that needs him more.

                  He's not going to get that opportunity playing for the Lakers, Blazers, or Cavs. On all of those teams he's just going to be the spot up 3 point shooter and defender.

                  On the Rocket team, maybe...MAYBE he can fill a bigger role for the team. I'm guessing the team next season is going to be a more uptempo team, we might not even have a legit Center. So maybe this style he can average 14ppg and just overall increase his value. If he thinks he has all-star potential, you can't blame the guy for coming here.

                  I honestly don't think so, his handles leave a lot to be desired...but out of his other options (Por,lal,cle) this gives him his chance to make a name for himself. Those other teams have Broy & Aldridge...plus Rudy, Outlaw, Oden. Kobe and Pau and Odom. Lebron and Mo and Shaq and West.

                  It's not like he's going to a bottom dweller for the same money. He's still going to a franchise that has always been competitve.

                  Any ways, it seems that once Artest became availiable that Ariza had no shot at being a Laker anymore because they were set on giving Ron the MLE.

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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #84
                    Re: Ariza to HOU

                    And no, I don't buy that line of logic either.. that he couldn't improve his stock while playing in LA.

                    Two words: Lamar Odom. Man came off the freakin bench in a contract year and still showed out. Had more teams had free money, Odom could have commanded as much as Turk. In fact I believe Odom deserves just as much as Turk.

                    If Trevor was still in LA, he would be a starter and would have all the opportunities in the world to showcase his ability. The one thing LA was missing while Trevor was on the court was another player who could create off the dribble besides Kobe. If he improved that during this summer, there's no reason he wouldn't be able to show that during games.

                    LA really struggled at times simply because Kobe was the only guy who could create something out of nothing. Sure Trevor wouldn't have been the second option but there would still be plenty of times where he would be able to showcase himself.

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                    • fluent2332
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 1735

                      #85
                      Re: Ariza to HOU

                      it's crazy how people will twist what he said in order to fulfill their own arguments. the man said houston showed the most interest, and he wanted to go to a place that WANTED him. obviously the lakers did not express that kind of interest in resigning him. I completely agree with him if he wants to go to a team that expresses the most interest, meaning they truly wanted him. I have the feeling that the lakers were like eh, if you come back fine, but we don't really care. why would you want to play for that franchise over one that really is pursuing you. it's a respect thing. if the lakers would have really shown interest in bringing him back, aka like he meant a thing to their championship run, i'm sure he'd still be a laker right now. but backhandedly offering him his contract and not giving a damn if he signs or not, like he wasn't a part of their run, is arrogant

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #86
                        Re: Ariza to HOU

                        Originally posted by fluent2332
                        it's crazy how people will twist what he said in order to fulfill their own arguments. the man said houston showed the most interest, and he wanted to go to a place that WANTED him. obviously the lakers did not express that kind of interest in resigning him. I completely agree with him if he wants to go to a team that expresses the most interest, meaning they truly wanted him. I have the feeling that the lakers were like eh, if you come back fine, but we don't really care. why would you want to play for that franchise over one that really is pursuing you. it's a respect thing. if the lakers would have really shown interest in bringing him back, aka like he meant a thing to their championship run, i'm sure he'd still be a laker right now. but backhandedly offering him his contract and not giving a damn if he signs or not, like he wasn't a part of their run, is arrogant


                        You got it man

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                        • fluent2332
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 1735

                          #87
                          Re: Ariza to HOU

                          i'm just sayin, thats what it seems like to me.

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #88
                            Re: Ariza to HOU

                            There have been conflicting reports on exactly what transpired between July 1st and today. I'm not ready to formulate an opinion until a further date.

                            Anyway Trevor was loved here by the fans, he got the biggest applause besides Kobe at the parade.

                            Trevor and his agent both knew going into the Summer that LA's money was tied up in Kobe's, Pau's, Andrew's, Sasha's and Luke's contracts. There was simply no money outside of the MLE left for Trevor. Everyone in LA knew this.

                            Compounding the problem was that Odom is also a free agent, and is simply a better player than Trevor.

                            It's all in the past now, Trev got what he wanted, a team that showed the most interest in him. As long as he got what he wanted I'm cool with it.

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                            • Cebby
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 22327

                              #89
                              Re: Ariza to HOU

                              Originally posted by fluent2332
                              i'm just sayin, thats what it seems like to me.
                              It seems much more likely that this was the case:

                              1. Ariza's agent convinced him that Ariza was worth significantly more than he was actually worth

                              2. The Lakers offer Ariza a contract based on Ariza's actual value

                              3. Ariza and his agent balk at it

                              4. The Lakers sign a better player (Artest) to a lower contract

                              5. Ariza and his agent realize that they had a greatly inflated idea of his value and sign with the Rockets for the same price the Lakers were giving him.

                              The idea that Ariza would leave a championship team in his hometown city that he apparently loves where he could ride out on endorsement deals to go to a lottery team in Houston for the same money simply because Houston "wanted him more" is ridiculous to me.

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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #90
                                Re: Ariza to HOU

                                Thx 4 insight.

                                Wud lub to hear y "nope" if u hve time 2 pull frm infinit wizdom.

                                Everything I said about the guy was correct, from watching him play and looking at percentages and statistics.
                                What bad teams was he on?
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