things that dont show up in the box score

[o_capone]

this is my list so far:


Offense:
Good Shot Selection
Bad Shot Selection
Buzzer Beater
Hockey Type Secondary Assist
Created For Team Mate(not always an assist)
Defense:
Forced Miss
Let Man Score
Forced Turnover
Bad Foul


i know there is also locker room things, and being a coach on the floor, but that is a little harder to track. i'm looking for things that are measurable. that is a KEY component of research, it has to be measureable. if you can add to this list i'd love to hear it!

[Shinyhubcaps]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

I guess there are also penalties like kicked balls that stop the flow of possession and can be either good or bad depending on the instant.

More hustle plays:
-Keeping a ball in play
-Calling a timeout to save a turnover or jump ball
-Forcing a jump ball
-Tipping a potential rebound back to the point
-Steal assist

For steal assists, I mean the times when a defender tips a ball in the passing lanes and knocks it down though another player, the one who picks up the ball, gets credited with the steal. Buzz Williams, the coach of Marquette, counts tipped balls (with the help of his assistants, of course). They track the data and use it to study the defensive pressure and reward good execution on defense, even if it does not result in a steal. So tipped balls in general are a good measure of defense that are not reflected in the box score.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Add Chuckers/Ballstoppers to the list as well.

[o_capone]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Add Chuckers/Ballstoppers to the list as well.

u think that might fit in the good shot selection/bad shot selection category?

if not what do you consider to be a ball stopper? how can that be measured?

[o_capone]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

I guess there are also penalties like kicked balls that stop the flow of possession and can be either good or bad depending on the instant.

More hustle plays:
-Keeping a ball in play
-Calling a timeout to save a turnover or jump ball
-Forcing a jump ball
-Tipping a potential rebound back to the point
-Steal assist

For steal assists, I mean the times when a defender tips a ball in the passing lanes and knocks it down though another player, the one who picks up the ball, gets credited with the steal. Buzz Williams, the coach of Marquette, counts tipped balls (with the help of his assistants, of course). They track the data and use it to study the defensive pressure and reward good execution on defense, even if it does not result in a steal. So tipped balls in general are a good measure of defense that are not reflected in the box score.

thanks those ones are nice!

[BlueNGold]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Drawing Charges/Getting called for Charges.

One that would be impossible to keep track of: Bad calls by Refs

[X*Cell]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

u think that might fit in the good shot selection/bad shot selection category?

if not what do you consider to be a ball stopper? how can that be measured?

Professa doesn't explain whyyyy... he just does.

[o_capone]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Drawing Charges/Getting called for Charges.

One that would be impossible to keep track of: Bad calls by Refs

this is now added to my website's list, thanks!

[J.R. Locke]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Illegitimate Children?

[55]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Illegitimate Children?

[The GIGGAS]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

What in the HELL is with the chick on the right? Did she just emerge from Hell?

[o_capone]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

What in the HELL is with the chick on the right? Did she just emerge from Hell?

she is pretty jacked up

[BlueNGold]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

That picture is funny in too many ways.

I got another thing that doesn't show up in box scores: Jump Balls Won/Lost

[Brankles]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Shinyhubcaps already talked about it, but tipped passes is a big one that I think should be looked at. Too many players get steals simply because a teammate pokes a ball away or tips a pass and it lands in another teammate's hands. The player who actually caused the turnover gets no credit for it.

[o_capone]

Re: things that dont show up in the box score

Shinyhubcaps already talked about it, but tipped passes is a big one that I think should be looked at. Too many players get steals simply because a teammate pokes a ball away or tips a pass and it lands in another teammate's hands. The player who actually caused the turnover gets no credit for it.

you think that might fit in the forced turnover category? or do you think tipped passes should be tracked even when they don't result in a turnover?