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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #136
    Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

    Yea, I didn't reply to yvesdereuter when he quoted me because I already realize that there is no changing his mind.

    He is dead set on an opinion being a fact because a majority of people believe it.

    A majority of people once believed that the world was flat.

    No disrespect to you, yvesdereuter, but I'm just saying. You need to realize that you're stating opinions, not facts. Jordan will always be a great player. Recognizing that his status as the greatest ever is an opinion wouldn't undermine his legacy one bit.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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    • VDusen04
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2003
      • 13034

      #137
      Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

      Originally posted by YankeePride
      Yea, I didn't reply to yvesdereuter when he quoted me because I already realize that there is no changing his mind.

      He is dead set on an opinion being a fact because a majority of people believe it.

      A majority of people once believed that the world was flat.

      No disrespect to you, yvesdereuter, but I'm just saying. You need to realize that you're stating opinions, not facts. Jordan will always be a great player. Recognizing that his status as the greatest ever is an opinion wouldn't undermine his legacy one bit.
      Well said. If there was a set formula for figuring out who the best player of all-time was, it'd make a lot of things a whole lot easier (and certain never-ending discussions would become uneccesary). But since that formula does not exist, it's all art interpretation.

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      • yvesdereuter
        Banned
        • Jun 2007
        • 1688

        #138
        Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

        Originally posted by grunt
        Jordah didn't have a robin, no he had green latern called Sottie Pippin. Pistons style of ball came from getting beat by the Celtics for half a friggin decade. You know that the Lakers won 4 more Championship with Kareem and Magic didn't win a championship without Kareem.
        I was talking about the 80s. I thought that was clear. Scottie didnt come into his own until the 90s.

        No, the Pistons style of play came out of the Jordan rules. They used it on other teams and it netted them 3 finals apprearances and 2 titles.




        Dumars is the point man, the first line in a Detroit Piston defensive scheme that possibly represents the most concentrated effort to contain one player in NBA history. The Pistons' proficiency in executing that defense has been a big factor in their success -- two appearances in the playoff finals and one championship -- in the last two seasons. "Their philosophy is to stop at nothing to stop Michael," says Doug Collins, who was fired after last season as coach of Jordan's team, the Chicago Bulls. "And, basically, they've succeeded."
        "It should be the easiest defense in the league to tear apart," says Jordan, his voice reflecting the frustration he feels about the Bulls' failure to overcome the Pistons' scheme. "But we haven't done it. It's worked. They've accomplished what they wanted to accomplish." It wasn't always that way. On the afternoon of April 3, 1988, Jordan embarrassed Detroit by scoring 59 points in a nationally televised game that Chicago won 112-110. That wasn't the first time Jordan had worn out the Pistons -- he had gone for 49, 47, 61 and 49 against them during various games in previous seasons. But after the 59-point effort, Detroit coach Chuck Daly had seen enough. "We made up our minds right then and there that Michael Jordan was not going to beat us by himself again," says Daly. "We had to commit to a total team concept to get it done."
        Oh, and the Lakers won a championship without Kareem in 1980.

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        • yvesdereuter
          Banned
          • Jun 2007
          • 1688

          #139
          Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

          Originally posted by YankeePride
          For those saying that Mike is the clear number 1, I suggest you poll people and find out for yourself.

          Is MJ the greatest of his time? No doubt. Will a great majority of the people choose him as the clear #1? You bet.

          But I guarantee that you won't get 100% of the people to agree and I guarantee that a lot of those people aren't Knicks, Pacers, Sonics, Jazz or Pistons fans either.

          Without 100%, you don't get clear #1. Like I said before, ask kids 10 years from now and watch the number for Jordan dwindle. 20 years? Even further down. Eras are withheld by the collective living. As we pass, another generation will come to love someone else. Just ask Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Ask Bart Starr or Joe Montana. Go ahead and ask Jerry West or Julius Erving.

          MJ is number one right now and man, I don't disagree with it. I saw the man play. He was amazing. But I never saw Jerry West play, so how can I ever compare? I haven't seen that kid that'll be drafted in 2020. So what do I know but the time I lived and saw?

          Also, LeBron was how old when Jordan dominated? The guy is a Yankees fan (a faker fan is harder to find). I can't take his allegiance seriously. He's clearly a wagon rider for the best.

          Anyway, my point is: Jordan isn't clearly the best of all-time. It's an opinion. You never honor one player as the game. The game is the game. No player alone defines it.
          Originally posted by YankeePride
          Yea, I didn't reply to yvesdereuter when he quoted me because I already realize that there is no changing his mind.

          He is dead set on an opinion being a fact because a majority of people believe it.

          A majority of people once believed that the world was flat.

          No disrespect to you, yvesdereuter, but I'm just saying. You need to realize that you're stating opinions, not facts. Jordan will always be a great player. Recognizing that his status as the greatest ever is an opinion wouldn't undermine his legacy one bit.
          No offense but saying that Jordan wouldnt get a 100% vote is a rather inane point to make. Of course he wont and a big reason is that in his wake he left a lot of sour grapes Knicks, Suns, Lakers, Cavs, Pistons, Celtics, etc. fans. And its evident in this thread. A lot of the people who would vote for someone else, dont really believe that there is someone better. Its more a case that they simply resent him for whatever variety of reasons. But more to your point, anyone can say anything about anything. If you were having a vote for the best player of all time, you might get a couple of people voting for Kiki Vandegwhe. Sorry, but the idea of Kiki Vandeweghe being better than Jordan just isnt going to get a lot of traction simply because a couple of people voted for him (ergo Jordan didnt get 100%). Again, saying Jordan wouldnt get 100% is an inane thing to say, really.

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          • Taur3asi3
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 3727

            #140
            Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

            Originally posted by yvesdereuter
            Oh, and the Lakers won a championship without Kareem in 1980.

            You mean the Kareem that averaged 32 12 3 and almost 4 blocks a game that playoff year?
            As Shaquille O'Neal left the Suns practice court, he yelled out, "Alvin's the coach. We must be the Clippers. And I must be Olowokandi. Nooooo!"

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            • yvesdereuter
              Banned
              • Jun 2007
              • 1688

              #141
              Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

              Originally posted by Taur3asi3
              You mean the Kareem that averaged 32 12 3 and almost 4 blocks a game that playoff year?
              Perhaps it wasnt mentioned to this point, but Magic Johnson was feeding him the ball. And when Kareem went down, Magic averaged 42 points playing Kareems position.

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              • grunt
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 9527

                #142
                Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

                Originally posted by yvesdereuter
                Perhaps it wasnt mentioned to this point, but Magic Johnson was feeding him the ball. And when Kareem went down, Magic averaged 42 points playing Kareems position.
                Magic didn't play center the whole game.

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                • sportyguyfl31
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 4745

                  #143
                  Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

                  If he wants to change his number, good for him I guess.

                  Lebron is starting to annoy me just a bit..he's coming off a little self-important these days.

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                  • sycodmn
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 805

                    #144
                    Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

                    What do Laker fans have to be jealous of with Jordan? I'll take following the, at worst, second best franchise in sports history, with a who's who list of stars over hanging off an arrogant ***hole's sack.

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                    • raidersbball20
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 1375

                      #145
                      Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

                      Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                      If he wants to change his number, good for him I guess.

                      Lebron is starting to annoy me just a bit..he's coming off a little self-important these days.
                      I agree, he is trying to get Jordan to like him or something when MJ could probably care less. I used to love MJ until I heard what he did to Chamillionaire. I will respect him for not acting in love with LeBron, but that is all I will respect him for. I think he did change basketball and made it on the uprise in the 90s, but there are so many other all-time greats that if they retired 23, it would be a slap in the face to all of those other great athletes. And I think retiring a number for all teams can be a good thing(ie. Jackie Robinson) but MJ wasn't a pioneer of the sport or anything special like that, he was just a phenomenol play that is ARGUABLY the best of all time. Not worthy of retiring his number.

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                      • andrewvo
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 9

                        #146
                        Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

                        maybe lebron should change his number to 45 and the nhl retired 99 for wayne gretzky hes probly the best nhl player ever and now retiring 23 will mean jordan is the best nba player ever
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                        • jrich05
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 246

                          #147
                          Re: LeBron Planning on Switching Numbers

                          Originally posted by grunt
                          The biggest star since Jordan decided this all by himself. He didn't consult his business advisor or his major sponsor. I guess Lebron developing his own identity with his number and apparel didn't have anything with him changing his number.

                          No, I am not saying he is a bad person but a person that clearly understand the business aspect during his playing days and after he is retired.
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