If the NBA retired 5 Jerseys...

[J.R. Locke]

Re: If the NBA retired 5 Jerseys...

I knew you was going to bring that lame argument back. The only reason why he had more points than them is cause he played in 500 more games than both of them. That is equal to over 6 more years. If you played six more years than somebody you should score more points. You look at thier carrer averages and Wilt and Jordan are both over 30 and rank number one and two all time. Kareem on the other hand is at 24.6 and 15th all time. That doesn't sound like the most dominant offensive player in history to me.

So I guess by you argument then Karl Malone was more dominant than Jordan and Wilt too seeing as how he score more total points as well?? Or Robert Parish was a better scorer than Larry Bird seeing as how he score more points. See how foolish that sounds??

You could also mention that Wilt played during a time in which the possessions per game were much higher than Kareems day.

[MVP23]

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Jackie Robinson (42) needs to be retired in every sport. If he did not make it into the league who knows what would have happened.

[J.R. Locke]

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Jackie Robinson (42) needs to be retired in every sport. If he did not make it into the league who knows what would have happened.

Actually this is selective history. African-Americans competed with whites in professional leagues in the 1800's and early 1900's it was only when money began to flow into the professional leagues that race quotas seemed to be issued, especially in the NBA etc....

Jackie Robinson's legacy is obviously worthy of the respect but the whole story is not just that of one person breaking a barrier. The barrier wasn't all about race....a whole lot of other reasons.

[jnofx]

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I knew you was going to bring that lame argument back. The only reason why he had more points than them is cause he played in 500 more games than both of them. That is equal to over 6 more years. If you played six more years than somebody you should score more points. You look at thier carrer averages and Wilt and Jordan are both over 30 and rank number one and two all time. Kareem on the other hand is at 24.6 and 15th all time. That doesn't sound like the most dominant offensive player in history to me.

So I guess by you argument then Karl Malone was more dominant than Jordan and Wilt too seeing as how he score more total points as well?? Or Robert Parish was a better scorer than Larry Bird seeing as how he score more points. See how foolish that sounds??

Dude, you just beat yourself in this argument. This should speak to Kareem's longevity, which for a big man is incredibly impressive.

Kareem is on the list.

[PrettyT11]

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Dude, you just beat yourself in this argument. This should speak to Kareem's longevity, which for a big man is incredibly impressive.

Kareem is on the list.

Ummm no I didn't. The argument wasn't about or have anything to do with longevity. The argument was about being the most dominant offensive player in NBA history. What you are saying has zero to do with it. At no point in time in his career was Kareem ever as dominant offensively as Wilt or Jordan. We are talking about a specific part of the game not longevity, overall skills, or anything else of that nature.

[EWRMETS]

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Reading Bill Simmons's analysis of Wilt in the Book of Basketball really changed my opinion of him. The guy cherised stats so he looks great to most of us that never saw him play, but he wasn't a winner. If they were going to retire 5 jerseys it should be MJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, and Kareem.

[PrettyT11]

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Reading Bill Simmons's analysis of Wilt in the Book of Basketball really changed my opinion of him. The guy cherised stats so he looks great to most of us that never saw him play, but he wasn't a winner. If they were going to retire 5 jerseys it should be MJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, and Kareem.

How is a guy with multiple NBA Championships, a finals MVP, and 6 NBA Finals not a winner?? They only reason why he doesn't have 6 or 7 championships is cause of Bill Russell's Celtics who where the far better team. He lost to the Celtics 3 times in the NBA finals and a few other times in the conference finals. But by no means was Wilt not a winner. You can't possibly not be a winner when you lead a team to an NBA championship.

[grunt]

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Ummm no I didn't. The argument wasn't about or have anything to do with longevity. The argument was about being the most dominant offensive player in NBA history. What you are saying has zero to do with it. At no point in time in his career was Kareem ever as dominant offensively as Wilt or Jordan. We are talking about a specific part of the game not longevity, overall skills, or anything else of that nature.

Sorry, can i say that he is one of the most dominant offensive players in NBA history. Kareem did play too long because of financial troubles and his house burnt down. If he didn't play as long his scoring avg would have been higher but his points total would have been lower.

Peace

[grunt]

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How is a guy with multiple NBA Championships, a finals MVP, and 6 NBA Finals not a winner?? They only reason why he doesn't have 6 or 7 championships is cause of Bill Russell's Celtics who where the far better team. He lost to the Celtics 3 times in the NBA finals and a few other times in the conference finals. But by no means was Wilt not a winner. You can't possibly not be a winner when you lead a team to an NBA championship.

The Celtics had a better team because Russell was a better team mate. Wilt had some great team both in Philly and in LA.

Peace

[PrettyT11]

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Sorry, can i say that he is one of the most dominant offensive players in NBA history. Kareem did play too long because of financial troubles and his house burnt down. If he didn't play as long his scoring avg would have been higher but his points total would have been lower.

Peace

There is nothing wrong with saying he is one of the most dominant offensive players at all. He just wasn't the most dominant. No doubt Kareem is on the list of the top 10 players of all time. I wasn't knocking him as a player at all. Just talking about the one part of the game.

The Celtics had a better team because Russell was a better team mate. Wilt had some great team both in Philly and in LA.

Peace

Regardless of if he was a better teammate or not his supporting cast was better than what Wilt had and that doesn't even include the obvious coaching advantage. The Celtics where full of hall of famers.

Russell was the obvious better winner between the two and his team dominated the league but to call Wilt a loser is just flat out foolish. You can't be a multi time champ and be a loser.

[EWRMETS]

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How is a guy with multiple NBA Championships, a finals MVP, and 6 NBA Finals not a winner?? They only reason why he doesn't have 6 or 7 championships is cause of Bill Russell's Celtics who where the far better team. He lost to the Celtics 3 times in the NBA finals and a few other times in the conference finals. But by no means was Wilt not a winner. You can't possibly not be a winner when you lead a team to an NBA championship.

You have to read the chapter of the book but it's true. Wilt cared more about statistics than winning. He was often a horrible defender at the end of games because he wanted to preserve his streak of never fouling out of a game. He was afraid of getting the ball at the end of games because he was a horrible foul shooter. Wilt was physically dominant compared to Russell but he didn't have the heart of a champion.