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  • BTB
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    • Mar 2003
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    #31
    Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

    Someone on Realgm made a point that the league probably asked the teams to put this to rest until after the All Star break. Too much smoke for there not to be fire, and makes too much sense for both teams.

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    • OSUFan_88
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      • Jul 2004
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      #32
      Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

      http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=4909238

      Sources: Haywood enters fray of talks
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      By Marc Stein
      ESPN.com
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      DALLAS -- Long-running trade talks between the Dallas Mavericks and Washington Wizards have taken a fresh twist now that the teams have discussed the prospect of packaging center Brendan Haywood to Dallas in the same deal with Wizards forward Caron Butler, according to sources close to the discussions.

      Talks between the teams had stalled in the past week, partly because of Washington's insistence that the Mavericks take guard DeShawn Stevenson in any Butler deal, but the potential for acquiring two front-line players -- since Butler and Haywood would immediately become key rotation players for the Mavs -- has renewed Dallas' interest.

      Sources said that such a deal, which is still in the discussion phase, would send Josh Howard and a handful of cap-friendly contracts to the Wizards and holds appeal for both sides.

      It would enable Washington to truly launch its rebuilding efforts, realize significant financial relief in the midst of a disastrous season and achieve those aims without giving up forward Antawn Jamison, which is the Wizards' preference.

      The possible acquisitions of Butler and Haywood, meanwhile, would be a welcome spark for the sputtering Mavericks, with Butler moving into the spot vacated by the out-of-favor Howard and Haywood arriving as another rim-protecting defensive anchor in the wake of a knee injury that has compromised the effectiveness of Mavs center Erick Dampier.

      Acquiring Haywood and having the chance to re-sign him this summer would likely fill the void Dallas thought it filled last summer, when the Mavs signed Orlando center Marcin Gortat to a lucrative offer sheet, only for the Magic to unexpectedly match the offer to the restricted free agent.

      Yet there are undeniable impediments to a Washington-Dallas deal. The Wizards, according to sources, would still rather make the smaller deal with Dallas reported by ESPN.com on Feb. 5: Butler and Stevenson for Howard and a small expiring contract such as James Singleton or Quinton Ross.

      One source said that the Wizards, who continue to talk trades with the Houston Rockets, Portland Trail Blazers and other teams, are reluctant to part with Haywood as the deal is currently structured.

      In the latest proposals exchanged by the teams, Dallas would send Howard (whose $11.8 million salary next season is a team option) to Washington and also surrender backup center Drew Gooden, along with multiple low-salaried players such as Tim Thomas, Singleton and Ross.

      Washington would inevitably want prized Mavericks rookie Rodrigue Beaubois added to the deal, but Mavs owner Mark Cuban said earlier this week that his young point guard is "pretty much untouchable" as Thursday's trade deadline approaches. It is not known whether Washington would accept Mavericks guard J.J. Barea instead.

      Speaking to a group of reporters Thursday, Cuban said: "We kind of know the parameters [under] which we would make a deal. If somebody meets our parameters, we'll pull the trigger. But if not, we're not going to do it. I don't see us doing something just to do something because that'll kill our flexibility this summer. But in the event that there's somebody that really upgrades our talent and really makes our team better, then maybe we'll do it."

      The Rockets have also been discussing deals for the Wizards for some time and have maintained an interest in Butler and Haywood in a deal featuring Tracy McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract.

      As with the Dallas talks, though, Washington has continued to seek more than mere payroll relief from Houston. The Rockets have balked at including any of the players in their long-term plans -- such as Shane Battier, Carl Landry, Luis Scola or Kyle Lowry -- just as the Mavericks say they won't surrender Beaubois.

      The Wizards have likewise repeatedly insisted that Cleveland include young power forward J.J. Hickson in a trade for Jamison, which has dissuaded the Cavs from following through on their longstanding Jamison interest.

      Yahoo! Sports reported Friday that the Wizards and Boston Celtics are discussing a trade that would send Butler and Jamison to the Celtics for a package headlined by Ray Allen's $19.7 million expiring contract. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge has subsequently denied such talks, telling The Boston Globe "there is no truth" to the notion of swapping Allen for two players who could dramatically reshape the look of the Celtics.

      Although one source warned Friday that it would be a mistake "to sleep on that one," another source close to the situation insisted to ESPN.com that a Boston-Washington swap looks "very doubtful" because of the considerable long-term expense Boston would be taking on -- for players who play the same positions as Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett -- and because of Washington's reluctance to part with Jamison.

      "I have no control over trade rumors," Allen said via his Twitter feed. "Let's just focus on being positive. I am a Celtic. Green all day."

      Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.
      Edit: Very doubtful for Celtics fans.
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      • Cebby
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        • Apr 2005
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        #33
        Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

        Originally posted by BTB
        Someone on Realgm made a point that the league probably asked the teams to put this to rest until after the All Star break. Too much smoke for there not to be fire, and makes too much sense for both teams.
        Yeah, both teams get exactly what they want.

        The Wizards get to hit the reset switch and the Celtics get 2 good players in a win now situation.

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        • boomhauertjs
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          • Feb 2004
          • 5373

          #34
          Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

          Originally posted by Cebby
          So do you also believe that Cleveland has virtually no chance of beating the Magic?
          No, I think they can beat the Magic, too. Thanks to Shaq, they don't have to double-team Howard like they did last year and they have better perimeter players (Parker & Moon v. Pavlovic & Wally) than they did last year. Plus Turkolgu was a matchup nightmare for them that Carter is not.

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          • boomhauertjs
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            • Feb 2004
            • 5373

            #35
            Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

            Originally posted by Cebby
            Yeah, both teams get exactly what they want.

            The Wizards get to hit the reset switch and the Celtics get 2 good players in a win now situation.
            But I don't think the Celtics want an additional $25 million in payroll commitments.

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            • Checmate101
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              • Mar 2006
              • 9947

              #36
              Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

              Celtics always trying to give somebody junk to get good players. They trying to rob us like they did Minny when they got Kevin Garnett
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              • Checmate101
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                • Mar 2006
                • 9947

                #37
                Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                I like that trade that would send Butler/Stevenson to Mavs for Howard/Singleton...shoot, anything to get Stevenson out of a Wizard uni. I'll trade Stevenson for a used condom
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                • mvspree8
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 580

                  #38
                  Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                  Originally posted by BTB
                  Someone on Realgm made a point that the league probably asked the teams to put this to rest until after the All Star break. Too much smoke for there not to be fire, and makes too much sense for both teams.

                  Why would they do that? Trade rumors and chatter will do nothing but help in promoting the league...

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                  • Cebby
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                    • Apr 2005
                    • 22327

                    #39
                    Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                    Originally posted by boomhauertjs
                    No, I think they can beat the Magic, too. Thanks to Shaq, they don't have to double-team Howard like they did last year and they have better perimeter players (Parker & Moon v. Pavlovic & Wally) than they did last year. Plus Turkolgu was a matchup nightmare for them that Carter is not.
                    I don't understand your logic at all.

                    So the Cavs will beat Boston despite Boston's additions because Boston only barely beat Cleveland two years ago and the Cavs got better, but Cleveland will also beat Orlando even though Orlando handled Cleveland? If the 2008 playoffs are a good barometer for 2010, then the 2009 playoffs should be a better predictor.

                    But I don't think the Celtics want an additional $25 million in payroll commitments.
                    I don't think that matters. Much like the Lakers and Spurs, Boston won't be anywhere near free agency discussions anytime soon.

                    That 25 million either gets you Ray Allen and co or it gets you Jamison and Butler. It's not like they can spend that 25 million on Lebron or Wade.

                    Celtics always trying to give somebody junk to get good players.
                    They only thing we have a chance at is junk. We aren't getting a top young prospect for two older good players.

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                    • boomhauertjs
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                      • Feb 2004
                      • 5373

                      #40
                      Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                      Originally posted by Cebby
                      I don't understand your logic at all.

                      So the Cavs will beat Boston despite Boston's additions because Boston only barely beat Cleveland two years ago and the Cavs got better, but Cleveland will also beat Orlando even though Orlando handled Cleveland? If the 2008 playoffs are a good barometer for 2010, then the 2009 playoffs should be a better predictor.
                      Boston's additions since 2008 - Rasheed, Marquis Daniels
                      Boston's subtractions since 2008 - James Posey (best LeBron defender they've had), PJ Brown, Leon Powe, Garnett's knees

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                      • boomhauertjs
                        All Star
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 5373

                        #41
                        Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                        Originally posted by Cebby
                        That 25 million either gets you Ray Allen and co or it gets you Jamison and Butler. It's not like they can spend that 25 million on Lebron or Wade.
                        I'm not talking about the rest of this season. It's the $25 million in 2010-2011 for Butler and Jamison that they might not want (and another $15 million for Jamison in 2011-2012 when Perkins is eligible for an extension).

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                        • Cebby
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                          • Apr 2005
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                          #42
                          Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                          Originally posted by boomhauertjs
                          I'm not talking about the rest of this season. It's the $25 million in 2010-2011 for Butler and Jamison that they might not want (and another $15 million for Jamison in 2011-2012 when Perkins is eligible for an extension).
                          That's what I am talking about.

                          If they don't spend that 25 million on Jamison or Caron, they still can't spend it on anyone else. Their only option would be resigning or sign and trading Ray Allen.

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                          • Altimus
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                            • Nov 2004
                            • 27283

                            #43
                            Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                            Originally posted by Cebby
                            He'd be a powered scorer on an abysmal team for 2 months. Then he'll sign for relatively cheap with a contender.



                            That's about the best we can expect.

                            The only teams who would want an overpriced Jamison and a good but not great Butler would be a contending team, and a contending team isn't trading a great player.

                            If we were feeling really daring we could push for a Big Baby or Booby Gibson, but that would still not make us any better.

                            I thought after the 08 season that Jamison and Butler would be fine leading a midlevel playoff team, and with Haywood back from injury and the Miller and Foye acquisitions I thought we'd be a playoff team this year but we're worse than ever.

                            Those two have to go to start the rebuilding, and I'll take salary room any day over 2-3 role players. They're good players, but this is a bad situation right now. It's like the Pau trade except we'll actually use the cap room we acquire.
                            Expiring contracts for Jamison seems fair I suppose but you would think they would get a little more for Butler. Picks, some young players? I dunno, we'll see where this leads.

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                            • Rawdeal28
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                              • Oct 2007
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                              #44
                              Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?

                              Originally posted by Checmate101
                              I like that trade that would send Butler/Stevenson to Mavs for Howard/Singleton...shoot, anything to get Stevenson out of a Wizard uni. I'll trade Stevenson for a used condom
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                              • rockchisler
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                                • Oct 2002
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                                #45
                                Re: Celts to acquire Jamison and Butler?



                                We can Dead this thread, Butler was shipped to Dallas
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