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  • BJNT
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    • Sep 2002
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    #76
    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

    Great, great movie. Imagine if a player today did what Reggie did that night with the choke sign and crouch grabbing. With the 24 hour coverage of sports now a days he would have gotten roasted. I wonder if he got fined for that? Reggie shouldn't feel too bad about not getting to the finals those 2 years. They were not beating the Rockets. Vernon Maxwell would have kept him in check in 94 and Clyde Drexler in 95. And Rik Smits was a pretty good center, but compared to Hakeem the Dream. Child please. Lol.

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    • z Revis
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2008
      • 13639

      #77
      Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

      Originally posted by BJNT
      Great, great movie. Imagine if a player today did what Reggie did that night with the choke sign and crouch grabbing. With the 24 hour coverage of sports now a days he would have gotten roasted. I wonder if he got fined for that? Reggie shouldn't feel too bad about not getting to the finals those 2 years. They were not beating the Rockets. Vernon Maxwell would have kept him in check in 94 and Clyde Drexler in 95. And Rik Smits was a pretty good center, but compared to Hakeem the Dream. Child please. Lol.
      Yeah. I don't think he should have any shame for not getting a ring. He was playing in an era with MJ, the Rocket teams that you mentioned, as well as Kobe & Shaq. The Pacers, in the Reggie era, had a lot of great teams, but I don't think they were ever the best team in the league in any given year. Someone was always better.
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      • Brock
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        • Apr 2008
        • 1442

        #78
        Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

        Originally posted by AuburnAlumni
        The other great part of this show was how Reggie was always overshadowed by Cheryl.

        Funny stuff...

        "Dad, we really took it to them tonight. I had a great night."

        "That's great son."

        "So what did Cheryl do in her game?"

        "Oh...what was it Cheryl...105."

        "105...what?"

        "Yup, 105 points tonight."

        That was hilarious... The only thing that came to mind was what George Lopez would say "I can never do nothing!" Reggie had his hopes all up then hearing his sister scored 60 more points than him.

        I'm only 16-17 and wish I could have seen the NBA the way it was back then.

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        • AuburnAlumni
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          • Jul 2002
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          #79
          Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

          Originally posted by z Revis
          Yeah. I don't think he should have any shame for not getting a ring. He was playing in an era with MJ, the Rocket teams that you mentioned, as well as Kobe & Shaq. The Pacers, in the Reggie era, had a lot of great teams, but I don't think they were ever the best team in the league in any given year. Someone was always better.
          Those Pacers teams were fully capable of playing with Houston, etc.

          They took MJ's Bulls to the wire in the 97 Conference Finals. And of course MJ's Bulls were THE franchise back then.

          Those Pacers team had size, depth, and solid D. I wouldn't blindly say they would have no shot against those teams.
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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
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            #80
            Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

            Originally posted by AuburnAlumni
            Those Pacers teams were fully capable of playing with Houston, etc.
            No way.

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
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              #81
              Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

              Those Pacers teams were fully capable of playing with Houston, etc.
              Um, what?
              #RespectTheCulture

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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28962

                #82
                Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                I don't think it's that much of a stretch, the '94 Houston team wasn't that great - the only team outside of the '04 Pistons without two superstars to win a title.

                The Knicks took 'em to 7 games without a 2nd star to back Ewing and some doo-doo offense - and with Pat getting BADLY outplayed by Hakeem. I think Indiana would have won at least two games against Houston in 1994, 1995 would have been ugly though.
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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #83
                  Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                  and with Pat getting BADLY outplayed by Hakeem.
                  And what do you think he would've done to Rik Smits?
                  #RespectTheCulture

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                  • ehh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 28962

                    #84
                    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    And what do you think he would've done to Rik Smits?
                    Same thing but that's not the point. I'm saying that despite the fact that the Knicks' best player was vastly outplayed, and without another star on the roster, they still took Houston to 7 and were one shot away from winning in six. Indiana would have hung with '94 Houston.
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                    • ZigZag
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 2668

                      #85
                      Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                      reggie was an assasin...but they got to show the bulls and knicks...i remember pippen and jordan taking turns dunking on ewing hahaha classic.

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                      • AuburnAlumni
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 11939

                        #86
                        Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        And what do you think he would've done to Rik Smits?
                        Doesn't matter. Indiana's points wouldn't have come from the center position.

                        New York had NO ONE like Reggie on their squad at the guard position. Add Dale and Antonio down low with Smits to help against Hakeem, and I don't see why Indy would have been slaughtered by Houston like so many on here wrongly believe they would.
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                        • z Revis
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2008
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                          #87
                          Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                          Originally posted by AuburnAlumni
                          Those Pacers teams were fully capable of playing with Houston, etc.

                          They took MJ's Bulls to the wire in the 97 Conference Finals. And of course MJ's Bulls were THE franchise back then.

                          Those Pacers team had size, depth, and solid D. I wouldn't blindly say they would have no shot against those teams.
                          I didn't say they had no shot. I said Reggie shouldn't be ashamed of not getting a ring considering the teams/players he was playing with in his time. They may have been able to play with them, but there's no shame in losing to them. Those teams were simply better than the Pacers.
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                          • Jeffx
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                            • Jan 2007
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                            #88
                            Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                            Originally posted by ehh
                            I don't think it's that much of a stretch, the '94 Houston team wasn't that great - the only team outside of the '04 Pistons without two superstars to win a title.

                            The Knicks took 'em to 7 games without a 2nd star to back Ewing and some doo-doo offense - and with Pat getting BADLY outplayed by Hakeem. I think Indiana would have won at least two games against Houston in 1994, 1995 would have been ugly though.
                            Knicks should have won that series, and would have won if Pat Riley wasn't so stubborn. Even today he admits he made a mistake going with Starks for too long. That was one of the worst sports nights of my life.

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                            • bigeastbumrush
                              My Momma's Son
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19245

                              #89
                              Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                              Originally posted by AuburnAlumni
                              Doesn't matter. Indiana's points wouldn't have come from the center position.

                              New York had NO ONE like Reggie on their squad at the guard position. Add Dale and Antonio down low with Smits to help against Hakeem, and I don't see why Indy would have been slaughtered by Houston like so many on here wrongly believe they would.
                              Again, if Hakeem completely busted Ewing's ***...he would've torched the Pacers' Centers.

                              The Knicks starting 5 were >>>>>> the Pacers starting 5

                              And the Knicks backcourt had an incredible finals. Let's say Starks and Derek Harper combined would've matched Reggie's output...then what?

                              I think the Rockets would've probably swept the Pacers.

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                              • AuburnAlumni
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                                • Jul 2002
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                                #90
                                Re: ESPN 30 for 30: Winning Time - Reggie Miller vs The Knicks

                                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                                Again, if Hakeem completely busted Ewing's ***...he would've torched the Pacers' Centers.

                                The Knicks starting 5 were >>>>>> the Pacers starting 5

                                And the Knicks backcourt had an incredible finals. Let's say Starks and Derek Harper combined would've matched Reggie's output...then what?

                                I think the Rockets would've probably swept the Pacers.
                                Ewing, Oakley, Mason > Dale Davis, Antonio Davis, Rik Smits...but not astronoically.

                                Harper, Starks < Jackson, Miller

                                You are smoking crack if you think the Rockets would sweep the Pacers.

                                My Pacers whipped your Knicks quite a few times and that squad had enough talent all the way around to play with anyone. They damn sure wouldn't have gotten swept.

                                And no...not in a million years could Starks/Harper match what Reggie could do when Reggie was "on".

                                When Reggie was on...he was nearly unstoppable from outside.

                                The Davis Boys and Smits were more than adequate to complement the Pacers backcourt.
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