The LeBron James Thread

[lilteapot]

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Let's put it this way, both Lebron and Gilbert handled things poorly in their conflict, the fans had to side with Gilbert. By having said that, I'm not too sure staying in Miami with Bosh(who is restless and wants max money), Wade(who is clearly on the decline), and playing with roster filler role players gives him the best chance to win. On the hand, the Cavs, Kyrie is proven, Wiggins' floor is Vince Carter, ultimately, for Lebron it would be the best redemption story.

Kyrie and varejao(who I don't understand why is so valued) can't play one whole healthy season. In Miami at least you have bosh and Ray who are healthy and you know what you're getting from them. Too many maybes in Cleveland imo and like I said, he wants to win now and he can't hang his hat on potential (Wiggins and Bennett) if he wants that

[King_B_Mack]

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Riley's press conference and Dan Gilbert's rant are not the same thing man...lol

If you want to make the point that Gilbert was justified in his letter that's fine, but it's a reach trying to make this comparison...

I'm not even saying they're the same thing. Like Gilbert's letter, I don't have much of a problem with what Riley said, but if we're sitting here four years later still taking shots at Gilbert for what was said in that letter because he called LeBron's actions cowardly but the mystique of the amazing Pat Riley is trumpted when he basically calls the guy a coward ahead of time if he leaves something isn't right there.

[Boltman]

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Riley said James is a coward if he leaves?

[WTF]

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Riley said James is a coward if he leaves?

In a nutshell. He wasn't directly commenting at James, but the Big 3 in general at that point, but we all know who he is referencing.

[The 24th Letter]

The LeBron James Thread

People tout TIm Duncans 'way' when finding out he didn't speak to Tony Parker, and call Kobe an ***hole when he didnt speak to Smush Parker...People are still talking about LeBrons 'guarentee' of multiple chips, and I haven't heard Derrick Rose's 'guarentee' brought up again since 2011...You can go on with this stuff.



I think you have to look at the context of the situations, and not just look at the broad similarities.

[Boltman]

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In a nutshell. He wasn't directly commenting at James, but the Big 3 in general at that point, but we all know who he is referencing.

Didn't know this, thanks for the explanation. I somehow missed this, that's probably not a smart thing to do on Riley's part. You're trying to keep them after all.

[King_B_Mack]

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He didn't make a guarantee, but if that's what you want to say to make your point, I can see where you're coming from.

[The 24th Letter]

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Neither did, hence the parenthesis.

However, that's how its reported.

[King_B_Mack]

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Looking at the context as you say, I think the reason you don't hear about the Rose quote is because it went

"I won’t be satisfied until I win a championship. I’m not satisfied at all. There’s not a doubt in my mind that I’m not going to win a championship. I’m going win multiple championships. It’s not a doubt in my mind. If everyone comes in and work on their game, I think that we have a good shot of winning without getting anybody to come to my team. I think everything was just so new… Last year was my first time getting past the first round of the playoffs. Everything was just new to everybody, and that thing is gonna help us. Last year was the base for our team and the sky’s the limit for us."

Meanwhile LeBron's quote was

"Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven...hey...and when I say that I really believe it. I'm not just up here blowing smoke at none of these fans, cause that's not what I'm about, I'm about business and we believe we can win multiple championships if we take care of business and do it the right way. We gon challenge each other in practice and the way we gon challenge each other in practice, once the games start...I mean, it's gon be easy. I mean with me and D-Wade running the wing, I mean Pat can come back and play like he was back in his Kentucky days. Just throw it up there and we'll go get it."

There's a lot more difference in the context of that than the difference between Dan Gilbert calling LeBron's actions cowardly in the way he left the Cavs (and everybody ****s on him for saying it) and Pat Riley saying that leaving the Heat will be gutless and cowardly (which pretty much nobody is making an issue of). So I think that's the difference in the point you're trying to make. That and DRose hasn't played in two years because he's ****ed up his knee twice. Had he been playing and failed, those rumblings may have gotten louder.

[cavsfan2]

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If I were Lebron though I can't see myself making money for Dan Gilbert and so many Cleveland fans that turned on ME, burned MY jerseys, and even said they wouldn't want me back. Of course I'm probably way more fickle than LBJ but I still think you have the best chance at success by staying in Miami than with unproven talent. Lebron wants to win NOW and I don't think he can do it with talent that still needs to develop

I'm sorry, I can't help but laugh at this post. Heat fans say they don't want to be defined or categorized by the countless fake fans, but when they're talking about Cleveland fans, suddenly it's time to categorize an entire fan base based on what a dozen or so drunk fans did.

[The 24th Letter]

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That's my point.

Quotes look a little different when you lay them out and don't paraphrase...because in the end Rose and Bron both said that they truly believe they will win multiple championships...but as you pointed out, there's a difference.

Then you turned around and summed Riley's quote up as "leaving the Heat will be gutless and cowardly" lol

[King_B_Mack]

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That's what he said though, 24th.

“This stuff is hard,” Riley said. “And you’ve got to stay together if you got the guts. And you don’t find the first door and run out of it.

That's not media taking his comments out of context, that's not me putting my spin on it. He said you stay together in Miami if you have the guts. Anything else is gutless. Dan Gilbert said that the behavior that LeBron displayed in his final weeks as a Cav and leaving were cowardly. One has been crucified for it and continues to be, the other is being hailed as masterful.

LeBron would have gotten criticized for "not one, not two" based on how everything went down and the fact that it was at a friggin preseason celebration rally, but I don't think it would have been as bad had he not talked about how easy winning would be. That's the difference between the Rose and LeBron quotes. The difference between Gilbert and Riley however is what? LeBron hasn't left yet? What context is missing here?

[The 24th Letter]

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and if what Riley said was in form of a letter guaranteeing franchise championships before LeBron, karma, selfishness and and betrayal, he'd be criticized as well....but it wasn't...

[wwharton]

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That's what he said though, 24th.



That's not media taking his comments out of context, that's not me putting my spin on it. He said you stay together in Miami if you have the guts. Anything else is gutless. Dan Gilbert said that the behavior that LeBron displayed in his final weeks as a Cav and leaving were cowardly. One has been crucified for it and continues to be, the other is being hailed as masterful.

LeBron would have gotten criticized for "not one, not two" based on how everything went down and the fact that it was at a friggin preseason celebration rally, but I don't think it would have been as bad had he not talked about how easy winning would be. That's the difference between the Rose and LeBron quotes. The difference between Gilbert and Riley however is what? LeBron hasn't left yet? What context is missing here?

King, twisting the words is EXACTLY what you're doing here, lol.

I know I'd act very differently to someone saying to me "This is hard but if you've got the guts you'll stick with it." and someone saying "If you don't do this you are gutless."

It's the same kind of reach with his "coward" comment. You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here.

Also, I don't get the need to try to put accountability on how OTHER people feel. You say you don't care about Gilbert or Riley's words here so you can't possibly understand the people that do care about one or the other. Considering that, how do you know they'd have the same feeling about both? You're not looking at the situation the same as they are (proven by it effecting you differently) so you have no idea what that trigger was that had them react how they did. Hell, some people jumped on Gilbert bc his letter was in Comic Sans.

[kingkilla56]

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I'm mad Pat Riley said all that and yet he was the first one ready to sign Lebron away from Cleveland.

Pat sounded scared in that presser to me. If Lebron and friends don't come back, Miami is back to building ground up and Pat don't have time for that.