The LeBron James Thread

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Just give it rest man. At some point you've got to ask yourself if you're not getting a little bit obsessive with it.

Couldn't you say the same thing about what you're doing though?

It's a message board, I'm not certain if you know what the purpose of its existence is.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Im sorry how did you get all that from that tweet? He's the best player in the league. When Kobe was the best player in the league one year he missed the playoffs the next he got bounced in the first round. Jordan couldnt get it done without Pippen and he is currently the consensus GOAT.

The "he's getting beat up" analogy is useless because basketball is a team sport. It's not like he could do more. His TEAM was out matched the last 3 years by better TEAMS. Now he's on a team on paper thats maybe the best team ever. Alot of people did take shots at him a continue to do so. If thats what motivates LBJ this season so be it.

Can we please drop the Team excuse man. They won Game one convincingly at home and they curb stomped the Celtics in Game three IN BOSTON, but they gave out piss poor efforts in their losses everyone including LeBron and suddenly the team was outmatched by a better team. They were the better team going into that series, when they played like they were expected to and predicted to, they had no trouble beating Boston and when Bron started tanking and teaching Mike Brown a lesson, they lost. LeBron has never been this guy. LeBron has never been the tough guy, he's taken the high road throughout his career and now he's in a situation where he thinks he's guaranteed to win something and he's suddenly developed the backbone and personality of a notorious trash talker? The getting beat up analogy is exactly what this is like. It's like 50 Cent talking all the trash he does when he rides around head to toe in bulletproof and driving around in a bulletproof, bombproof car. Anybody can surround themselves with all the protection in the world and start talking about what they're going to do and all this other stuff. Just shut his mouth and get on the court and show people how he feels.

[BlueNGold]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Can we please drop the Team excuse man.

Can we just drop this entire thread? SMH.

[Murkurial]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

smh

Everyone's allowed to have an opinion, and he's just posting his. I don't see anything obsessive about it, he's posting a good argument and you're responding to it with some childish stuff

I'm just responding with my assessment of his "argument." Someone can repeat something incorrect as many times as they like, won't make their opinion any more valid and eventually it's just becomes noise.

But that's just my opinion. I am allowed to post that right?

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

I'm just responding with my assessment of his "argument." Someone can repeat something incorrect as many times as they like, won't make their opinion any more valid and eventually it's just becomes noise.

But that's just my opinion. I am allowed to post that right?

Now you're on the wagon for "rights to post"?

LMAO

Your wizardry of logic has left me in stitches

[Murkurial]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Now you're on the wagon for "rights to post"?

LMAO

Your wizardry of logic has left me in stitches

I'll let this be the last thing that I say on it, but "give it a rest," as in "you're going on and on about something with what I perceive to be a flimsy argument," isn't the same as me saying "you're not allowed to post here because I don't agree with what you're saying."

I and a bunch of others have come back at those "arguments" a number of times in the thread so far. So he says it again. I say "give it a rest" as in, "here we go with this again..." and suddenly, I'm telling him that he doesn't have the right to post.

[da ThRONe]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Can we please drop the Team excuse man. They won Game one convincingly at home and they curb stomped the Celtics in Game three IN BOSTON, but they gave out piss poor efforts in their losses everyone including LeBron and suddenly the team was outmatched by a better team. They were the better team going into that series, when they played like they were expected to and predicted to, they had no trouble beating Boston and when Bron started tanking and teaching Mike Brown a lesson, they lost. LeBron has never been this guy. LeBron has never been the tough guy, he's taken the high road throughout his career and now he's in a situation where he thinks he's guaranteed to win something and he's suddenly developed the backbone and personality of a notorious trash talker? The getting beat up analogy is exactly what this is like. It's like 50 Cent talking all the trash he does when he rides around head to toe in bulletproof and driving around in a bulletproof, bombproof car. Anybody can surround themselves with all the protection in the world and start talking about what they're going to do and all this other stuff. Just shut his mouth and get on the court and show people how he feels.

Of all the teams in the 2nd round LeBron had the worse team. LBJ was the best player the next 3-5 best players were on the other team.

Utah
D. Williams
C. Boozer
A. Kerilenko

PHX
S. Nash
G. Hill
A. Stoudemire

LAL
K. Bryant
R. Artest
P. Gasol
A. Bynum
L. Odom

Spurs
T. Duncan
M. Ginobili
T. Parker
R. Jefferson

ATL
J. Johnson
A. Horford
J. Smith

Magic
D. Howard
J. Nelson
R. Lewis
V. Carter

Boston
K. Garnett
P. Pierce
R. Allen
R. Rondo
R. Wallace

In the playoffs rosters get shorten. Starter play more mins and it no longer about depth its about the top end of your roster. Veteran teams like the C's know this and they dont over play their veterans during the regular season and its why they were a 4th seed.

So while posting the most regular season wins is impressive. It has less to do with post season play then most people would want to admit.

[Kashanova]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Where was this "fire" in game 5 when he quit against the Celtics. Dude is super moist.

alot of players have been commended for their fire/desire to win but have quit in multiple game 7s and i still to this day here about their "fire" as well so for lbj to say it is fair in my book...

[Brankles]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

I'm just responding with my assessment of his "argument." Someone can repeat something incorrect as many times as they like, won't make their opinion any more valid and eventually it's just becomes noise.

But that's just my opinion. I am allowed to post that right?

The thing is it's not incorrect, it's an opinion. He thinks LeBron lost because his team was not on the level of other teams.

You think LeBron lost because he couldn't carry his team.


I'm more inclined to say that your argument is wrong, that basketball is a team sport, and that no player has ever won anything besides individual awards playing with rosters similar to LeBron's. History is completely against your argument.

The fact that you think LeBron should have won with that team, regardless of the way he played against the Celtics, inadvertently shows your incredible level of respect for him. You expected him to do something that no one else in the NBA has ever done, and by doing that, it displays what you think LeBron is capable of doing, but at the same time you show a great disrespect for him for not reaching that goal.

Kind of backward logic, just like you telling someone else to get over themselves and stop being obsessive when you're the one responding negatively to so many posts about LeBron. You want to stomp LeBron out and tear him apart, and Da Throne simply wants to put him into context with history and the stars of today.

If we had to label obsession, you're obsessed with bringing him down and Da Throne is obsessed with bringing some reality to the situation. The hatred you have is much less desirable than the pragmatism Da Throne has. You calling him out for being obsessed is probably the opposite of what you really want to do.


That's all, man. Just respect other poster's opinions. Nobody here is an expert, even though we all like to think we are. Respond with what you know, don't get personal, and try to put up the best argument possible. It's the internet, after all, and that's really all you can do.

[Sportsbuck]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

http://twitter.com/KingJames/status/20836148987



The heel turn continues. Unfreakingbelievable with this guy. He's like the guy who gets his *** kicked by the tougher guy, so he calls the cops or gets a bunch of his boys to jump the guy and he starts trash talking everyone on the way there acting tough. This guy has gotta be the biggest front runner I've ever seen.

Bill Simmons response:

Hey @kingjames - do your "mental notes" include an answer for why you no-showed Game 5 + quit in the last 90 secs of Game 6? Tape don't lie.

[Jasong7777]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Great post. We all have opinions. At the end of the day I respect everyone opinion even if they are different. It should be OS's golden rule.

[da ThRONe]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

Bill Simmons response:

I really wish I could get my hands on this game tape. So I could see for myself.

Either way liked mentioned he wouldnt be the first competitive guy to quit when being seriously over-powered. And this is despite putting out some super human performances in his playoffs career.

Not making any excuses just not dwelling on it. No paid athlete should ever quit. But it happens anyways emotions affect different people different ways.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

I really wish I could get my hands on this game tape. So I could see for myself.

Either way liked mentioned he wouldnt be the first competitive guy to quit when being seriously over-powered. And this is despite putting out some super human performances in his playoffs career.

Not making any excuses just not dwelling on it. No paid athlete should ever quit. But it happens anyways emotions affect different people different ways.

Watch the second round series of Boston/ Cleveland once again (particularly game 5) and then watch any other LeBron James game ever, or watch all of those first and the series second, doesn't really matter. If you can't determine the LeBron James effort isn't there...man I don't know what else to tell you. LeBron had the sloppiest, most inefficient 20-30 something point games I've seen in a long time in that series.

[wwharton]

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Well you ask for them and so I posted it.

As far as weither or not he's in that league of passer we can go back and forwards all day because that is mostly opinion based than anything. But here another video of LeBron's vision and passing skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfW16...eature=related

Been unplugged for a while so sorry I didn't get back to this sooner... since it took so long I won't keep the back and forth going, and I agree we could do it all day.

I will just say to keep my opinion in perspective. There's a HUGE difference between saying he can't pass or doesn't have court vision and he's not on the level of the greatest passers of all times.

[utexas]

Re: The LeBron James Saga

He had one bad series, actually 1 bad game by his lofty standards and now he is a quitter? Thats a huge leap for a player who lays it all on the court night in and night out. I remember Kobe not taking a shot in the second half of a series clinching game 7 against Phoenix a few years ago.
As far as Bill Simmons talking noise, he is trying to get in the story to make money for himself. Modern journalism is more editorial and less truth searching a unbiased reporting.