Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

[ZB9]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

ZB with the Dirk talk again and the refs

I guess with all of the "disadvantages" that Dirk has had, he proved the point of this thread, you cant win it alone right? Right

I didnt bring Dirk into the thread

and yes, if not for the one sided WWE crap in the 06 Finals (you really cant deny that the calls were one sided. Wade shattered the all time record for FT attempts in a finals series and got bailed out with a whistle with 1.8 seconds left FTW), Dirk wouldve been the 4th player in the history of the NBA to win a championship without another "batman" or another "robin" on the roster. However, the NBA didnt want that to happen

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Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

LOL man. Its been years now get over it man, the Mavs lost as a team.

Point being, Dirk probably should've left and joined with another star because in the end, all of this false honor crap people are talking, they wont be backing up these players who never won anything in the end.

[ZB9]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

LOL man. Its been years now get over it man, the Mavs lost as a team.

lol never

Point being, Dirk probably should've left and joined with another star because in the end, all of this false honor crap people are talking, they wont be backing up these players who never won anything in the end.

Yes but what better options did he have? He probably wants to win in Dallas and give it the best shot with a franchise that he's help build from one of the worst in pro sports into a contender, not just latch on somewhere else where he's not guaranteed anything anyway. The Mavericks have a lot of negatives but one thing about the franchise is that they are going to try their best to win and that is what it's all about.

but this "winning a chip" thing gets overrated in the NBA imo. Winning a championship is important obviously in all American sports, but the standard in other sports isnt nearly to the extreme that we see in the NBA. Like you said above, it's a team sport. You win as a team and you lose as a team, even in basketball. No one has ever won a chip "on their own"

[jeebs9]

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This is an easy one to answer.

Everyone had someone else to lean on. But the main problem here is Jordan. Jordan missed up everything possible. He dominated the competition so bad. There will probably never ever be another person that can fill his shoes. And I'm only talking about on the court. Jordan never lost in the Finals. Yea Kobe/LeBron or whoever you can bring up. Can win 8 rings. But if they ever lost in a Finals. It just doesn't match-up to that guy. I mean we can compare god to him. But it won't happen.

Now if there wasn't a Jordan we wouldn't even be having this thread.

This thread probably has to do a lot with LeBron James teaming up with 2 other stars (one a top 3 player and the other a top 3 player at his position). We think its a "no-no" because of the standard Jordan build. I'm telling you. We were brain washed between the years of 1984 to 1998. I've been explaining this since the day LeBron made his decision. If we were all in the park. And we are choosing teams. Don't you pick the best guys that will help you win? Yes I know its a different situation in the NBA.

At the end of the day we ALL want to win. Thats the bottom line. Its doesn't matter how we do it. But as long as we win. Thats all that matters.

[wwharton]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

This is an easy one to answer.

Everyone had someone else to lean on. But the main problem here is Jordan. Jordan missed up everything possible. He dominated the competition so bad. There will probably never ever be another person that can fill his shoes. And I'm only talking about on the court. Jordan never lost in the Finals. Yea Kobe/LeBron or whoever you can bring up. Can win 8 rings. But if they ever lost in a Finals. It just doesn't match-up to that guy. I mean we can compare god to him. But it won't happen.

Now if there wasn't a Jordan we wouldn't even be having this thread.

This thread probably has to do a lot with LeBron James teaming up with 2 other stars (one a top 3 player and the other a top 3 player at his position). We think its a "no-no" because of the standard Jordan build. I'm telling you. We were brain washed between the years of 1984 to 1998. I've been explaining this since the day LeBron made his decision. If we were all in the park. And we are choosing teams. Don't you pick the best guys that will help you win? Yes I know its a different situation in the NBA.

At the end of the day we ALL want to win. Thats the bottom line. Its doesn't matter how we do it. But as long as we win. Thats all that matters.

If I'm playing with a group of people I know and the teams are uneven, then I say we should trade somebody (did it just last night). If I'm not with people I know, I'm going to do whatever I can to knock down the powerhouse team that's probably not going to be playing as hard bc they're better.

I don't just want to win, I want to feel like I earned it. I would think most people agree.

[jeebs9]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

If I'm playing with a group of people I know and the teams are uneven, then I say we should trade somebody (did it just last night). If I'm not with people I know, I'm going to do whatever I can to knock down the powerhouse team that's probably not going to be playing as hard bc they're better.

I don't just want to win, I want to feel like I earned it. I would think most people agree.

Don't get me wrong I understand your point. But just think about legacy wise. LeBron and Wade have always been winners (especially LeBron). Every team that is winning (Lakers/Celtics) have very a Superstar core and a very good supporting cast.

But the other problem here is that people are making it seem like its going to be easy just because they joined forces. You still have to play the games. Do people think the Heat are going to break the Bulls 72-10 record? The competition in the NBA is really really good. But the Heat still need to win. Now if in a few years from now. They have broken that record. And have won 3-5 back to back championships. Then I can understand your point.

I pick the best player. I don't pick guys just to make it a good game. I want to win at the end of the day (or really stay on the court). And we are just playing a friendly pick up game. Could you imagine for the NBA Finals?.....When money and (most important) legacy's are on the line.

[jeebs9]

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Also people can say whatever they want. Mark Madsen has 3 rings....lol

I just don't see a problem with playing with the best at the end of the day.

Have a good weekend guys.

[wwharton]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

Also people can say whatever they want. Mark Madsen has 3 rings....lol

I just don't see a problem with playing with the best at the end of the day.

Have a good weekend guys.

The problem is LBJ acting like he's on the same level as Madsen (stretching, but only to use your example). Whether they win or not, he already made a decision that's dropped him down in the NBA pecking order. Thats all people are saying.

[dexvex]

Re: Exactly when has a player won a chip "on their own"?

The problem is LBJ acting like he's on the same level as Madsen (stretching, but only to use your example). Whether they win or not, he already made a decision that's dropped him down in the NBA pecking order. Thats all people are saying.

I don't buy that.......

Lebron is goin to wade's team true enough but reading through this thread I think you all have a very wild opinion about this whole thing and are jumping to conclusions.

Wade will forever be the one who brought mia a banner and that won't change however the "alpha-dog" status isn't set in stone like all of you are claiming. First off the main/#1 guy on a team isn't established by who the fans cheer for, nor is it established by b-ball nerds or the media for that matter. I don't know how many of you have played on actual teams but the alpha-dog leader is set by the players/coaches on the team and nothing else. It is set in training camp and practice when dwade and lbj are goin at each other time after time,set after set showing the other players who is truly better. That is gonna be the true leader of this team. Thats who the players are gonna respect the most and let kick them in the *** when they slack off. Thats who the coaches are gonna goto in the crunch time situations and such.

Right now they don't even have their full roster in place so aruging about what is nothing more than speculation right now is silly being that it is all opinion right now.

If anything this will show LBJ for what he truly is rather than the safety net situation he had in CLE. This will truly show whether he can be a absolute leader with another star on the team or just defer. All I am saying is wait to see this actually play out before you go declaring batman and robin.

P.S.for those who don't know me this is my first post in the real b-ball section but this is a topic i've been debating across the web so I thought i'd chime in.......

[jeebs9]

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The problem is LBJ acting like he's on the same level as Madsen (stretching, but only to use your example). Whether they win or not, he already made a decision that's dropped him down in the NBA pecking order. Thats all people are saying.

LMAO....SMH....Its sad people think like this. I'm telling you guys. Jordan's era really did a number on everyone. Subconsciously you guys are still trying to replace the man. And everyone else's standard before him is worth nothing. And anything after hasn't been yet....lol

The biggest reason a lot of people are complaining is because this is the first time this has ever happened. Superstars taking less for the better cause....LMAO in this new sports world where money is over everything. And when you get old you join up with another vet to win a ring. Like a lot of players do.

[King_B_Mack]

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LMAO....SMH....Its sad people think like this. I'm telling you guys. Jordan's era really did a number on everyone. Subconsciously you guys are still trying to replace the man. And everyone else's standard before him is worth nothing. And anything after hasn't been yet....lol

The biggest reason a lot of people are complaining is because this is the first time this has ever happened. Superstars taking less for the better cause....LMAO in this new sports world where money is over everything. And when you get old you join up with another vet to win a ring. Like a lot of players do.

Jesus Christ dude no one is trying to replace Michael. No one likes comparing people to Jordan and trying to make them better than him or replace him except the media and Stans of whatever player is being compared. The reason LeBron's legacy to Jordan is constantly brought up here is because for the past seven plus years Bron has been shoved down everyone's throats as the next great one, the chosen one, the guy who when it's all said and done will be the best ever, the guy who was further along at a certain age than Jordan, etc. etc. That's why people bring this up to say 'kill that noise, finally.' If anything this is Jordan fans making they're case for other people/media trying to help these guys trespass on Jordan's estate on Greatest Ave and Of All-Time Dr.

Still don't see how people are okay with seeing guys that people pay money to see giving half effort and admittingly doing so and running away from the challenge of playing the best competition possible.

[jeebs9]

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I still don't see the point. I wish Jordan never had happen. We wouldn't be talking or making this a such a big deal.

In 5 years from now we will see Dwight teaming up with Durant. Then what will people say lol jk

But I "killed that noise" since LeBron went to the Finals and lost vs the Spurs. I think LeBron's thinking is.....Now....I need to win a ring now. Because at the end of the day greats are known because of their rings.

[wwharton]

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I don't buy that.......

Lebron is goin to wade's team true enough but reading through this thread I think you all have a very wild opinion about this whole thing and are jumping to conclusions.

Wade will forever be the one who brought mia a banner and that won't change however the "alpha-dog" status isn't set in stone like all of you are claiming. First off the main/#1 guy on a team isn't established by who the fans cheer for, nor is it established by b-ball nerds or the media for that matter. I don't know how many of you have played on actual teams but the alpha-dog leader is set by the players/coaches on the team and nothing else. It is set in training camp and practice when dwade and lbj are goin at each other time after time,set after set showing the other players who is truly better. That is gonna be the true leader of this team. Thats who the players are gonna respect the most and let kick them in the *** when they slack off. Thats who the coaches are gonna goto in the crunch time situations and such.

Right now they don't even have their full roster in place so aruging about what is nothing more than speculation right now is silly being that it is all opinion right now.

If anything this will show LBJ for what he truly is rather than the safety net situation he had in CLE. This will truly show whether he can be a absolute leader with another star on the team or just defer. All I am saying is wait to see this actually play out before you go declaring batman and robin.

P.S.for those who don't know me this is my first post in the real b-ball section but this is a topic i've been debating across the web so I thought i'd chime in.......

It sounds like you have me confused with other people you've been discussing this with around the net. My interest here is the answer to the question "Is LBJ a TRUE alpha dog or were we fooled bc of all the love and pampering he got in Cleveland?" Based on what we do know, behavior, decisions, etc. I don't think so.

Now we can wait and see for sure but I was questioning it before the regular season was even over, and every passing day he seemed to provide more evidence to support my feelings on it. I'm discussing that... it seems to many people are trying to tell others what THEY are thinking, and then following it up with why THAT thought is wrong instead of actually listening to what people say they're talking about. It's been repeated many times but seems to get ignored. Maybe to keep a discussion going... maybe bc people don't read through a thousand posts. Either way, you've got this one a bit twisted in response to me.

LMAO....SMH....Its sad people think like this. I'm telling you guys. Jordan's era really did a number on everyone. Subconsciously you guys are still trying to replace the man. And everyone else's standard before him is worth nothing. And anything after hasn't been yet....lol

The biggest reason a lot of people are complaining is because this is the first time this has ever happened. Superstars taking less for the better cause....LMAO in this new sports world where money is over everything. And when you get old you join up with another vet to win a ring. Like a lot of players do.

See my post above (and all over this thread). There is no suggestion of replacing or even being compared to Jordan. People are suggesting WHY this has never happened and coming to the conclusion that it's bc James is an animal on the outside and a baby on the inside. He can prove us wrong but this is just another example of why some don't think he's got the mental toughness to be what the media and James himself have been trying to build him up to be over the last 10 years.

Seriously, you can argue that point with people that are trying to make it. I really don't understand why people are quoting me and others that CLEARLY aren't saying that and trying to tell us what we mean.

[dexvex]

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It sounds like you have me confused with other people you've been discussing this with around the net. My interest here is the answer to the question "Is LBJ a TRUE alpha dog or were we fooled bc of all the love and pampering he got in Cleveland?" Based on what we do know, behavior, decisions, etc. I don't think so.

Now we can wait and see for sure but I was questioning it before the regular season was even over, and every passing day he seemed to provide more evidence to support my feelings on it. I'm discussing that... it seems to many people are trying to tell others what THEY are thinking, and then following it up with why THAT thought is wrong instead of actually listening to what people say they're talking about. It's been repeated many times but seems to get ignored. Maybe to keep a discussion going... maybe bc people don't read through a thousand posts. Either way, you've got this one a bit twisted in response to me.



See my post above (and all over this thread). There is no suggestion of replacing or even being compared to Jordan. People are suggesting WHY this has never happened and coming to the conclusion that it's bc James is an animal on the outside and a baby on the inside. He can prove us wrong but this is just another example of why some don't think he's got the mental toughness to be what the media and James himself have been trying to build him up to be over the last 10 years.

Seriously, you can argue that point with people that are trying to make it. I really don't understand why people are quoting me and others that CLEARLY aren't saying that and trying to tell us what we mean.

I quoted you but i'm not exclusively talking about you. And yes this new merger should answer yours and everyone elses questions........

[wwharton]

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I quoted you but i'm not exclusively talking about you. And yes this new merger should answer yours and everyone elses questions........

I'd still have to say I don't understand how I'd be included AT ALL in your point there.