Chris Bosh is not a superstar

[Laimbeer]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

Bosh's mid range game is better than Gasol's and Amar'e.

When Bosh gets deep in the playoffs, and is knocking that shot down - Or if he knocks that shot down in a FINALS series I may agree with you against Gasol.

Yes Bosh has a better stroke than Amare easily. But Gasol has been knocking that mid range shot down with such consistency. And shooting that high percentage in the Finals this year puts Gasol ahead for me.

Gasol was absolute money from 19' and in, and hitting BIG shots. Screw the fact Bosh might have a bit more range, give me Gasol.

[Mo_Magic]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

When Bosh gets deep in the playoffs, and is knocking that shot down - Or if he knocks that shot down in a FINALS series I may agree with you against Gasol.

Yes Bosh has a better stroke than Amare easily. But Gasol has been knocking that mid range shot down with such consistency. And shooting that high percentage in the Finals this year puts Gasol ahead for me.

Gasol was absolute money from 19' and in, and hitting BIG shots. Screw the fact Bosh might have a bit more range, give me Gasol.

Y'all are sleeping on Amare's offense. From 23 feet in, he shoots a higher percentage than Bosh from every area on the court... be it 16-23 feet, 5-15 feet, or right at the rim.

Gasol and Bosh aren't comparable, btw. Gasol is not only a much better defender, but a much better player.

His physical advantages alone make him better than Bosh if they truly are "similar" players(7' feet tall with length), but Gasol actually knows where he needs to be on defense and can play you one on one... and that's not to mention his game with his back to the basket is top 3 in the league most likely.

Bosh has a great face up game.
Gasol has that, a post up game, a defensive game...

Gasol is also a MUCH better passer and a much smarter basketball player... and in this regard it's not even close.

[Laimbeer]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

Y'all are sleeping on Amare's offense. From 23 feet in, he shoots a higher percentage than Bosh from every area on the court... be it 16-23 feet, 5-15 feet, or right at the rim.

Gasol and Bosh aren't comparable, btw. Gasol is not only a much better defender, but a much better player.

His physical advantages alone make him better than Bosh if they truly are "similar" players(7' feet tall with length), but Gasol actually knows where he needs to be on defense and can play you one on one... and that's not to mention his game with his back to the basket is top 3 in the league most likely.

Bosh has a great face up game.
Gasol has that, a post up game, a defensive game...

Gasol is also a MUCH better passer and a much smarter basketball player... and in this regard it's not even close.

We both agree about Gasol, and I would take Gasol over both players. But as far as Amare being this great outside shooter, I do not agree. His power game is his staple. My opinion.

[Mo_Magic]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

We both agree about Gasol, and I would take Gasol over both players. But as far as Amare being this great outside shooter, I do not agree. His power game is his staple. My opinion.

And that's right, we both have our own opinions.

I'm just throwing mine in there with what the data shows... and that is, among big men and ANY players in the league, Amar'e is an ELITE scorer from every area of the floor within the three point line, where as Bosh is not.

And by elite, I mean he's shot an average of about 46% from 16-23 feet over the past four years, has shot over 45% from 5-15 feet for the past couple years, and has been around 65-70% in the paint the past four years.

To put this in perspective, Bosh has never shot over 65% from the paint(he came close this year at 64%), is just flat out not of Amar'e's caliber from 5-15 feet, and has shot over 45% from 16-23 feet once(47% in 2009, he's usually around 40-43%)...

Amare's last four years from 16-23 feet?: 48%, 48%, 46%, 42%

A lot of that may be Nash, but for someone of his size to stroke that with that kinda consistency...? He's got a damn good shot from out there.

[The15thunter]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

amare has developed a solid mid-range game to supplement his physical face-up drive game. his post game, obviously is the best but it's solid, as well.

i'd rather have gasol's offensive reportoire, but i think i'd take amare's second and bosh's third.

[Mo_Magic]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

amare has developed a solid mid-range game to supplement his physical face-up drive game. his post game, obviously is the best but it's solid, as well.

i'd rather have gasol's offensive reportoire, but i think i'd take amare's second and bosh's third.

I've literally been laughed at for saying I would take Amar'e's offensive game over Bosh's.

I would take Amare over Bosh, PERIOD.

They both don't offer great back to the basket games, but for a face up player, Amar'e' has always been the more efficient player while putting up close to the same output in less minutes. Hell, per 36 minutes Amar'e is consistently on Bosh's level rebounding, too... and we no neither of them are giving you defense...

[jeebs9]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

I wouldn't take Amare right now. Huge question mark as a rebounder. And his injuries. Amare is good. But he is not the double-double guy that Bosh is....Those are effort plays. If he's able to dunk it on people like he does. His career average should be about 10-11 rebounds a game...SMH

Boards are really important to me. It's the difference between a defensive stop and a basket.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

Gasol>Bosh for a few more years

Gasol/Bosh>>Amare FOREVER

[The15thunter]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

just to clarify, i'd rather have gasol, then bosh, then amare as overall players, but i was pointing strictly to their offensive games when i said gasol, amare, then bosh.

[Mo_Magic]

Re: Chris Bosh is not a superstar

I wouldn't take Amare right now. Huge question mark as a rebounder. And his injuries. Amare is good. But he is not the double-double guy that Bosh is....Those are effort plays. If he's able to dunk it on people like he does. His career average should be about 10-11 rebounds a game...SMH

Boards are really important to me. It's the difference between a defensive stop and a basket.

Bosh was a better rebounder this past year, but he's by no means great. In fact, over their careers the two are very similar rebounding the ball.

This past year was the only year that Bosh distanced himself from Amare in this regard. He grabbed 17.7% of reboundable balls to Amares 14.5%.

However, for their careers, Bosh barely beats Amare out in this category, grabbing 14.9% of reboundable balls to Amare's 14.7%.

It's dumfounding how Amare isn't averaging over 10 a game, especially as his minutes have increased. He was a very good rebounder in his 06 campaign and the '07 campaign(the only reason he was under 10 was because he played fewer minutes than other dominant bigs).

Honestly, there's such a minute difference in the rebounding capabilities that I don't think it matters, especially seeing as Amar'e outclasses him offensively efficiency wise and (this is me going out on a limb) Bosh will shrivel up when he plays a real playoff defense.

Also, keep in mind Bosh has played on a horrible defensive and rebounding team for the last few years and the picture just gets clearer in my opinion.

Bosh isn't the player a lot of people think he is... and playing with James and Wade may mask his flaws if he steps up when they need him or may destroy that team.