Who was a better PF?

[dsallupinyaarea]

My friend and I were having a friendly debate on this and I wanted to know what other people think.

86 Mchale or 03 Duncan.

I honestly can't decide on who I'd rather have.

[The15thunter]

Re: Who was a better PF?

My friend and I were having a friendly debate on this and I wanted to know what other people think.

86 Mchale or 03 Duncan.

I honestly can't decide on who I'd rather have.

do you mean 2002 - 2003 duncan and 1985 - 1986 kevin mchale?

eff it, it doesn't matter, i'm taking 2002 - 2003 tim duncan. he's going to give you the same or similar points to mchale, better defense, better rebounding and better passing with a far inferior supporting cast.

[capp34]

Re: Who was a better PF?

Tim Duncan is the Best PF ever.

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: Who was a better PF?

do you mean 2002 - 2003 duncan and 1985 - 1986 kevin mchale?

eff it, it doesn't matter, i'm taking 2002 - 2003 tim duncan. he's going to give you the same or similar points to mchale, better defense, better rebounding and better passing with a far inferior supporting cast.

85-86 Mchale, 02-03 Duncan

Yes, the Celtics were a far better team with a far inferior supporting cast, but you have to look at the circumstances. The league was far less watered down then. I want to say there were only 23 teams. Even the bad teams were really deep that year.

I think I'd take Mchale after much consideration. Best post moves in history while playing all world defense and commanding a double team. You really can't lose either way. Like picking between a Lamborghini and a Farrari.

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: Who was a better PF?

Tim Duncan is the Best PF ever.

I definately agree with that. But I think that 86 Mchale was the best year a PF ever had.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Who was a better PF?

I definately agree with that. But I think that 86 Mchale was the best year a PF ever had.

Are you saying that from a stat stanpoint or something else?? If you are talking about from a stats standpoint then that year in nowhear near close to being the best. In fact his numbers that year aren't anywhere near the ones he put up the next year and aren't as good as the year after that. There is nothing spectacular about 21 and 8 from a stats standpoint at all.

[Cebby]

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I definately agree with that. But I think that 86 Mchale was the best year a PF ever had.

Duncan had the best year of any PF ever in 2003 and it's not even close.

In the playoffs Duncan averaged 24.7, 15.4, 5.3, and 3.2 blocks per game.

He had unarguably the worst supporting lineup in the history of the NBA for a championship winner.

His starting lineup was 20 year old Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, and 37 year old David Robinson, and off the bench he had Malik Rose and an NBA rookie Manu.

As a name team that's a damn good team but Parker, Robinson, and Manu were years away from All Star spots and Malik Rose and Stephen Jackson have no place being leading scorers on a championship team.

Duncan's statline for the Finals was 24 points 17 rebounds 5.3 assists and 5.3 blocks.

And it's not like he played a bunch of bums either.

Starbury, Matrix, Amare, Penny, Joe Johnson Suns
Shaq/Kobe Lakers
Dirk, Finley, and Nash Mavs
Kidd, KMart, and Jefferson Nets

Granted, that may not be quite as good as who the Celtics beat (then again the Celtics didn't beat the Lakers, Pistons, or Jordan/Pippen Bulls), but considering McHale had the league MVP and 2-3 other players better than anyone on the Spurs, what Duncan did was a hundred times more impressive.

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: Who was a better PF?

Alright I stand corrected. I'd rather have 02-03 Duncan.

[The15thunter]

Re: Who was a better PF?

Duncan had the best year of any PF ever in 2003 and it's not even close.

In the playoffs Duncan averaged 24.7, 15.4, 5.3, and 3.2 blocks per game.

He had unarguably the worst supporting lineup in the history of the NBA for a championship winner.

His starting lineup was 20 year old Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, and 37 year old David Robinson, and off the bench he had Malik Rose and an NBA rookie Manu.

As a name team that's a damn good team but Parker, Robinson, and Manu were years away from All Star spots and Malik Rose and Stephen Jackson have no place being leading scorers on a championship team.

Duncan's statline for the Finals was 24 points 17 rebounds 5.3 assists and 5.3 blocks.

And it's not like he played a bunch of bums either.

Starbury, Matrix, Amare, Penny, Joe Johnson Suns
Shaq/Kobe Lakers
Dirk, Finley, and Nash Mavs
Kidd, KMart, and Jefferson Nets

Granted, that may not be quite as good as who the Celtics beat (then again the Celtics didn't beat the Lakers, Pistons, or Jordan/Pippen Bulls), but considering McHale had the league MVP and 2-3 other players better than anyone on the Spurs, what Duncan did was a hundred times more impressive.

hakeem olajuwon called, he said you might want to look at his first title team and re-evaluate the duncan comments.

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: Who was a better PF?

hakeem olajuwon called, he said you might want to look at his first title team and re-evaluate the duncan comments.

Pretty sure the Dream played Center for those Rockets teams once Sampson left.

[phenom1990]

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He had unarguably the worst supporting lineup in the history of the NBA for a championship winner.

His starting lineup was 20 year old Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, and 37 year old David Robinson, and off the bench he had Malik Rose and an NBA rookie Manu.

Your forgetting that the young erratic Tony Parker would get replaced by the "wily veteran" known as Speedy Claxton or the Steve Kerr with no knees left.

[AlexBrady]

Re: Who was a better PF?

Two of the best bigs of all time.

Duncan has his unstoppable right handed hooker, face up drives, sweeping hooks, quick spins. All powerful.... all unstoppable. He is an exceptional passer. He has claws for hands and uses them to be a great rebounder. His man defense was just ok but his help defense was some of the best of all time (credit his long arms and smarts). Most importantly, the guy has a will to win and the clutch chops to back it up.

McHales scoring arsenal was somehow even better than the great Duncan. He had the hookers, spins, counters and double counters, drop steps, face ups, fades, elbow clears, and duck unders. Unstoppable. He was a decent passer though not as good as Duncan. His man defense was phenomenal and his long arms made him a great helper. Likewise, his strong shoulders made him a great rebounder. Larry Bird may have been The Man, but McHale was a franchise big.

With a gun to my head I would take TD by the smallest of margins. Their 1-2 in my book though.

[ParisB]

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WOW, I'm surprised this is even debatable.

Duncan by a landslide.

[The15thunter]

Re: Who was a better PF?

Pretty sure the Dream played Center for those Rockets teams once Sampson left.

i meant in terms of him saying duncan had the least help ever.

[Shinyhubcaps]

Re: Who was a better PF?

According to Basketball-Reference.com, Duncan's year was better. McHale was better in the following year (1986-87) than the year in question though... and it was still worse that Duncan's 2002-03.